Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

August 12, 2020

How leftist conspiracy-mongers ended up on the same side of the barricade as the alt-right

Filed under: Black Lives Matter,conspiracism,COVID-19,Donald Trump,Fascism,Trump — louisproyect @ 6:29 pm

Why would anybody in their right mind think that a color revolution conspiracy was targeting him?

That is what totalitarianism is, this desire to establish complete control over everything and everyone, every thought, emotion, and human interaction. The character of its ideology changes (i.e., Nazism, Stalinism, Maoism, etc.), but this desire for complete control over people, over society, and ultimately life itself, is the essence of totalitarianism … and what has taken over the minds of the New Normals.

–CJ Hopkins

This is not the benign, Bernie Sanders, work-within-the-system-type socialism. This is Bolshevism, there’s a big difference. The smoldering downtown corridor and the ruined lives of thousands of merchants attests to that difference. What we’re seeing is the resolute actions of a thoroughly-committed group of violent extremists who want to obliterate the system and impose their own vision of socialism.

–Mike Whitney


These are excerpts from articles that appeared on The Unz Review website, named after its owner Ron Unz. I can’t provide the links since it has been banned on Facebook for promoting white supremacy, we can assume. You will find the articles by concatenating unz and com. Once there, you can do a search on both of the authors above and the articles will show up. Hopkins’s “new normals” is a reference to the people protesting against the cops, whose side he takes. As for Whitney, he is against rioting even though most of the protests against George Floyd have been peaceful. This smear, of course, is straight out of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson.

It is important to understand that Ron Unz’s website is one of the most prominent neo-Nazi websites with a ranking of 15,537 on Alexa. That’s six times as much traffic as Stormfront, which ranks 96,704 as a long-time promoter of holocaust denial, racism and nativism. It’s also almost three times the traffic of CounterPunch, where both Hopkins and Whitney’s articles appeared before it cleaned house.

The question before us is why someone who once wrote for CounterPunch, like I do, would want to be associated with Ron Unz. When I challenged Hopkins for crossposting to Unz’s website while he was writing for CounterPunch, he defended himself by saying that Unz used to be a major contributor to CounterPunch, as well as writing for it occasionally. Of course, if you look up his articles for CP, you’ll see that they’re nothing like the white supremacist propaganda he writes today. Like Hopkins, Whitney had been crossposting to both CP and Unz all along but I never asked him why. Anyhow, the important thing to understand is that both of them have drifted to the far right once their connections to CP were severed. Today, nothing they write has the slightest tinge of leftism and more recently it is unvarnished defense of Donald Trump against BLM protests.

Other former writers for CounterPunch have also been moving in this direction. Max Parry only wrote 3 articles for CP but has flooded various leftwing websites for ages now promoting a conspiracist worldview. On off-Guardian, a COVID-19 denialist and 9/11 truther outlet, Parry has an article that makes an amalgam of Assadism and anti-BLM propaganda. Titled “The Battle of Seattle was Fought by the Pro-war ‘Left’ in Northern Syria”, the article sounds like it could have been written by someone on Tucker Carlson’s staff:

What began as protests against police brutality were not only derailed into efforts to set-up communes in major cities but a nationwide debate on statues, after the wave of demonstrations and rioting across the country led to the Taliban-style destruction of historical monuments perceived as glorifying racism.

Taliban-style, really? As if tearing down a Confederate General’s statue has something in common with the Taliban’s horrendous destruction of Buddha statues.

Kurt Nimmo, who had dozens of articles published on CP but none later than 2004, now writes mostly for Global Research, a conspiracist cesspool with a lot in common with off-Guardian. Recently, he wrote something titled “Black Lives Matter (BLM) and the Neoliberal Color Revolution in America” that was a riff on William Engdahl’s “America’s Own Color Revolution” and that also appeared on Global Research. Engdahl was a former member of Larouche’s organization who retains pretty much the same politics he once had. Implicit in writing about a “color revolution” in the USA is the idea that Donald Trump is some kind of post-Soviet nationalist like Milosevic or Shevardnadze. This is a preposterous idea as if “neoliberalism” and the Trump White House were on a collision course. One might understand Engdahl taking this position since Larouche PAC virtually worships Donald Trump.

Conspiracism pollutes much of “radical” journalism on the net. If you see it as concentric circles getting more and more nutty and reactionary as you move toward the hub, Grayzone and Consortium News would be further away from the center, even if they overlap to some extent with Global Research. For Max Blumenthal, everything is simple. Just read what Nicholas Kristof writes and take the opposite tack. If Kristof condemns the Chinese government for putting Uighurs into concentration camps, your task is to write that concentration camps do not exist.

Close to the innermost circle, you get off-Guardian, Global Research and Zero Hedge that share the Trump administration’s hatred for the BLM protests and laissez-faire attitude toward the pandemic. You’ll see article after article about how BLM is violent and why COVID-19 is not that big a deal. You’ll find plenty of anti-corporate rhetoric about how George Soros is funding the BLM and why Bill Gates wants to exploit the pandemic for personal gain, but you’ll also find Hitler railing against big business in “Mein Kampf”.

When I used to read Mike Whitney in CounterPunch, I never had any strong objections except to his support for the “axis of resistance”. As for Hopkins, there wasn’t much to pay attention to since he wrote the same article over and over, which boiled down to his defense of “populism”. Whether it was from the left or right, it didn’t matter since the only real enemy was the “deep state” that was so intent on bringing down Trump. Like Aaron Maté, Hopkins got a lot of mileage exposing “Russiagate” even though it was mixed with Putin worship.

This move toward the right has been gestating ever since Trump became president. You can see signs of it everywhere, with Max Blumenthal’s appearances on the Tucker Carlson show and Stephen F. Cohen’s many guest spots on the John Batchelor show on WABC radio, which is a carriage trade version of Rush Limbaugh. Carlson and Batchelor were determined to clear Trump of all charges of interference in the American elections, which in and of itself is not wrong. It is wrong, however, to amalgamate that with support for the eastern Ukraine secessionists as Cohen did ever since Euromaidan broke out.

No matter how malevolent these tendencies were in the past, they have become even more pronounced this year as the pandemic and the George Floyd protests divided America sharply along ideological lines. Hopkins and Whitney have decided to make common cause with the most reactionary circles, which Ron Unz champions on a daily basis to a large internet following.

On DissidentVoice, a conspiracist website not quite as bad as off-Guardian, you can read Hopkins’s take on the pandemic. He sounds exactly like a guest on the Tucker Carlson show: “Also, ‘we have no immunity against it,’ which is why we all have to remain ‘locked down’ like unruly inmates in a penitentiary until a vaccine can be concocted and forced onto every living person on earth.” Like his business about “Stalinism” controlling our lives above, the emphasis is on personal liberty—the same excuse people give for shopping maskless and punching, or even shooting, an employee who tells them to wear one or leave.

Whitney operates from the same premise: “The Covid-19 Scamdemic is an even more vile component of the 3-pronged offensive. The ‘fairly mild’ infection (that kills between 1 in every 200 to 1 in every 1,000) has been greatly exaggerated by the media to scare the public, undermine normal relations, prevent physical intimacies, and inflict maximum damage of the fragile psyches of millions of people worldwide.”

This blatant denialism goes hand in hand with their hatred of BLM protests, which they see as a “deep state” conspiracy funded by corporate America with the willing support of the Democratic Party. Hopkins writes, “The part where the mayors of major cities stood down and otherwise hamstrung their cops, and let the ‘peaceful protesters’ run amok, was particularly audacious, in my opinion.” Whitney is beside himself with anger over BLM protests, which at the time he wrote an article (July 20), had become overwhelmingly peaceful. He told Unz’s fascist readers “These aren’t protests, this is political warfare the likes of which we haven’t seen since the 1960s.” Most people on the left have fond memories of the 60s, either from direct experience like me or from reading memoirs by people like Daniel Ellsberg. I guess that Whitney identifies more with the Silent Majority of the time. Who knows? This landscape company owner might have belonged to it at the time.

Let me conclude with a few words about the Socialist Workers Party, a group I belonged to from 1967 to 1978. At one time, it was the flagship party of Trotsky’s Fourth International with about 2,000 members at its height. Now, it is a tiny cult around Jack Barnes who has managed to expel or drive people to resign to the point that it consists of maybe 90 people as old as me. Their main political activity consists of going door-to-door like the Jehovah’s Witnesses use to, peddling the party newspaper The Militant.

Like the aforementioned people writing for The Unz Review, Barnes became a convert to the Trump cause in 2016. With only minor criticisms of the white supremacist, The Militant concentrates its fire (such as it is) on the Democratic Party and on activists opposed to Trump. Like Hopkins and Whitney, they minimize the pandemic and hate how “mobs” topple monuments to Confederate generals.

In one of the more bizarre offerings, the newspaper defends the “right to worship” in Nevada:

In a serious attack on the constitutional right of freedom to worship, the U.S. Supreme Court voted July 24 to refuse to suspend a public health order imposed by Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak limiting attendance at church services. It was part of a series of edicts issued under the guise of stopping the spread of coronavirus.

This goes hand in hand with the SWP’s refusal to wear masks when it goes peddling its tracts and newspapers from door to door. You can never see a mask on a party member. Given their age, you’d think they’d be more careful. But at this stage of the game, anybody who has been a member for forty years or so, as is generally the case, you lost the capacity to think independently long ago.

22 Comments »

  1. You write: “This goes hand in hand with the SWP’s refusal to wear masks when it goes peddling its tracts and newspapers from door to door. You can never see a mask on a party member.”

    That is certainly not my recollection of photos of SWPers in recent issues of The Militant. Some photos have shown SWPers in masks; others have shown unmasked members.

    I just looked at the lead article in the most recent issue of The Militant. Check out the four photos that accompany the article.
    https://themilitant.com/2020/08/08/workers-need-a-labor-party-control-of-production-safety/

    Comment by alan ginsberg — August 12, 2020 @ 7:04 pm

  2. I haven’t done a systematic study of mask-wearing in the SWP but it looks to me that they don’t tend to wear masks when they are selling the Militant or campaigning door-to-door. With petitioning, all you are doing is collecting signatures, not talking to people. Been there, done that. In this article you can see Allyson Kennedy selling The Militant without a mask.

    https://themilitant.com/2020/05/16/militant-gets-out-the-truth-about-working-class-struggles/

    Comment by louisproyect — August 12, 2020 @ 7:09 pm

  3. I’ve read some of Mike Whitney’s recent stuff. The dude should smoke a joint and relax. The BLM protests are not the Bolshevik Revolution.

    Comment by Kurt T Hill — August 12, 2020 @ 7:26 pm

  4. “No matter how malevolent these tendencies were in the past, they have become even more pronounced this year as the pandemic and the George Floyd protests divided America sharply along ideological lines. Hopkins and Whitney have decided to make common cause with the most reactionary circles, which Ron Unz champions on a daily basis to a large internet following.”

    I find it remarkable, though I often find you remarkable, that you visited Unz.com, and know the writing of C.J. Hopkins and Mike Whitney.

    Then it turns out you have followed them for much, much longer, and in more depth, than I have.

    My first visit to Unz.com was this year, when I googled Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. I didn’t do so to pursue Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories, but I found myself drawn into Ron Unz’s American Pravda articles. I learned something. I found Unz’s articles well-written,well-reasoned, and well documented. This counts for something.

    I can’t really get into it much right now, but I wouldn’t mind seeing you argue for your idea the pandemic and the George Floyd protests divide America sharply along ideological lines.

    I don’t see it. I can read and appreciate you, Ron Unz, C.J. Hopkins and Mike Whitney with no remorse or guilty conscience, and yet something clearly divides us. If it is ideology, spell that out.

    Comment by Yusef — August 12, 2020 @ 10:57 pm

  5. “Hopkins’s “new normals” is a reference to the people protesting against the cops, whose side he takes. As for Whitney, he is against rioting even though most of the protests against George Floyd have been peaceful. This smear, of course, is straight out of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson.”

    Do you, Louis, cotton to this world of the new normal? Was this your picture–ever– of progress?

    There’s no way Hopkins takes the side of the cops, Louis. You can give your reasons for thinking that, but if you do, I hope you’ll invite C.J. over here to give his side. I think he will come. I think he will set you straight.

    I’m also against the rioting “even though most of the protests against George Floyd have been peaceful.” I’m all for the peaceful protests, and thankful nearly all have been peaceful, but I am still “against the rioting.”

    I have no way of knowing how damaging the minor number of protests involving rioting actually were– I’m in Alaska. There was no rioting at all here. (There were no peaceful protests here, either, so far as I know. We’re a simple folk, attuned to the internet and its images.) I can say that mass media did a good job of beaming images to us local yokels of a steaming and smouldering America, cruelly and stupidly mutilated by George Floyd riots. You dig? If it is a bunch of B.S., and if you tell me it is, I take your word. I am more than happy if you reveal I was once again fooled by the beaming images of mass media to local yokels such as me.

    I will never, however, think riots in any way shape magnitude or form, under these circumstances, were intelligent, or could possibly be justified. The people who got suckered into rioting did us all– left and right, up and down– damage. I think they were tools and I think they were tools of precisely the reactionary forces you protest, as do I.

    I hope you’re well and never had any more troubles with the cataracts.

    Comment by Yusef — August 12, 2020 @ 11:26 pm

  6. You have to understand how Hopkins writes. He never quite comes out and says he backs Assad. Instead, he writes 10,000 words about the “regime change” conspiracy that began in 2011. He never says he backs Trump. Instead, he denounces a color revolution against him. What else can that mean? In her wonderful memoir “Scoundrel Time”, Lillian Hellman talks about the “anti-anti-fascists” in the 1930s who never quite said that they were for Franco. Instead, they continuously denounced the Abraham Lincoln Brigade and and anybody who spoke in defense of the Spanish Republic.

    Btw, I was curious to see where you were posting from since something told me that you were looking for a rumble. As I suspected, you are using a proxy server with a high risk factor according to IPQualityScore. It also states that your IP has been blacklisted. So, bye-bye.

    Comment by louisproyect — August 12, 2020 @ 11:30 pm

  7. Yes, it’s true. Right after “President Donald Trump” gave his approval to mask-wearing, the SWPers dutifully flipped over to wearing them also. This after 4+ months of ignoring common-sense health guidelines. It’s also likely that when they showed up maskless at BLM protests to peddle their wares they were called assholes

    Comment by John B. — August 13, 2020 @ 12:58 am

  8. Apologies in advance for this being a rant.

    Maybe Whitney et al should put their money where their mouth is and go to Sturgis, South Dakota, right about now. They can hang out with their brethren, enjoy chilled beers in packed bars, everybody screaming at the top of their volume, no ventilation in the rooms, then go marching through town revving their engines up to 300 decibels, all the tens of thousands of them at once, cream (sic erat scriptum) happily about their liberty.

    And I think to myself:

    Oh Lord, will you give them covid up rear ends,
    My friends are all lefties, We can’t make amends,
    Worked hard all our lives, To get rid of the leeches,
    So, Lord, won’t you give them loads of co-vid britches.

    But I realize, of course, they’d just horrifically add more fuel to the virus wildfire, making it whirl around more ferociously and more chaotically, killing tens of thousands more of the good people, the hardworking people, those who actually do contribute to the wellbeing of the rest of us.

    What a shit hole we’re stuck in.

    Comment by Reza — August 13, 2020 @ 3:04 am

  9. I vividly recall a Mike Whitney piece in Counterpunch containing the line, re Putin, “Way to go, Vlad!” Generally, IMO, Counterpunch has improved since they backpedaled on the libertarian BS they used to be so full of, and also the pro-Putin stuff–which seem to go hand in hand through the conspiracist nexus.

    Libertarianism in any guise and to any extent is crap. Any valid social criticism is swamped by the denial of social reality. The Ron Paul version is IMO a thin veil covering racism and crypto-fascism. The word “liberty” throughout its history–minus equality and fraternity–has generally denoted the right of an elite to oppress slaves, wage slaves, and other victims of class warfare. That’s what’s wrong with Thomas Jefferson in a nutshell–the Declaration of Independence is a virus vector for this bullshit.

    The conspiracist fake left love to pooh-pooh the idea that Russia could be up to anything malign in the US currently. I think that the worst thing the Russkis have done–forget about helping to torpedo Hillary if that happened–is to have corrupted the U.S. left into abject powerlessness, as witness Whitney, Grayzone, and Co. A little John Birch rhetoric about freedom and these fakers become instantly fangless and tame as housecats except where real socialists (and Soros and the Illuminati and worldwide child-molestation conspiracies and the Deep State) are concerned.

    Dugin and friends must be laughing themselves silly at the American идиоты. How richly this must reward their contempt for Western liberalism in all its forms.

    I think we should be looking beyond the pandemic. I gather that there’s little evidence of rapid mutation of the COVID-19 virus compared with eg the flu, so it’s likely that a vaccine will provide substantial and somewhat lasting immunity. It’s the rent in the world’s social and economic fabric–and the continuing crisis of the environment–that will do us in finally, especially with heoliberal dogmatists like the execrable Biden and Harris wasting precious years in capitalist futility trying to punt these challenges down the road.

    Of course, if Trump prevails, U.S. society will collapse even sooner than predicted–I’m almost tempted to think that might be better for the world as a whole. Our Putin-and-QAnon-addled friends, either way, are clearly part of the problem and not the solution.

    Comment by Farans Kalosar — August 13, 2020 @ 2:17 pm

  10. I remember Whitney writing two articles a week on Counterpunch. As I remember, when Counterpunch was still under the direction of Alexander Cockburn, it veered occasionally into libertarian waters. Cockburn defended the variety of views he published (including his casual climate skepticism) but CP is definitely different now. Was there a definite event or time period when it was “cleaned up”?

    Comment by Brian Gallagher — August 13, 2020 @ 9:44 pm

  11. I had stumbled on Mike Whitney’s vile turn to the far-right by following a wordpress post that linked to him at the godwaful unz site, and surfed around to see if anyone had noticed what a turncoat move this was. Props to you for being first on the head-spinning case.
    Counterpunch was always dallying with the rightist lunatic fringe represented by “libertarians,” and they continue to feature prominent Heartland Institute screed-maker James Bovard. Who cares what justifications they make for that tendency – shouldn’t Shecky Greene St. Clair pen some two line “roaming charge” defending Whitney’s new full-throated Trump love?

    Comment by Martin — August 13, 2020 @ 9:46 pm

  12. “You have to understand how Hopkins writes. He never quite comes out and says he backs Assad. Instead, he writes 10,000 words about the “regime change” conspiracy that began in 2011.

    Maybe Hopkins never quite comes out and says he backs Assad for the simple reason he does not back Assad. As for writing 10,000 words about regime change, are you saying there was nothing in those 10,000 words as to why Hopkins thinks it is a regime change? It is possible for Hopkins to both not back Assad and believe there was a conspiracy to change Assad’s regime. I wouldn’t mind hearing you elaborate your reasons for believing there’s a contradiction, if that’s what you think it is, or why you believe the two are mutually exclusive, if that’s what you believe. Or whatever you might want to say to help me understand your position here, if that’s what you want to do.

    “He never says he backs Trump. Instead, he denounces a color revolution against him.”

    Again, he might not say he backs Trump because he doesn’t back Trump. I don’t back Trump. However, I have been deeply saddened by the stupid and effective tactics which were attempted to unseat him. (Recall, if you will, a few months back when Covid19 was scarcely mentioned, and the unsuccessful impeachment/removal process was nearly the only thing on the front pages of America’s press (or if I am getting carried away, it was very, very prominent as a headline and probably most prominent.) The pretext was flawed and it was entirely foreseeable it was going to fail. It wasn’t a noble failure, either. It wasn’t without severe cost to the people who do not support Trump. People who do not support Trump and yet did not support the effort to unseat him, such as it was, make quite a bit of sense to me. (I wouldn’t however associate any thoughts I have on this matter with a “color revolution”. Really, Hopkins does? If so, I’ll agree with you that’s a bit odd. If, however, you’ve read it into him, I wish you’d stop doing this sort of thing, Louis. It isn’t working for you.)

    ” What else can that mean? In her wonderful memoir “Scoundrel Time”, Lillian Hellman talks about the “anti-anti-fascists” in the 1930s who never quite said that they were for Franco. Instead, they continuously denounced the Abraham Lincoln Brigade and and anybody who spoke in defense of the Spanish Republic.”

    I’m offering what else it can mean, above.

    Thanks for the tip on the Lillian Hellman book. I’m her fan. I haven’t read it, but now I certainly will.

    As I haven’t read the book, I can’t really comment on what Hellman said. I do have a response to the idea of “anti-anti-fascism”. As I see it, there really is an authoritarian-oppressive-repressive-“totalitarian” strain in Leftist thinking. Frankly, I have seen you exhibiting this for a long, long time. I can dissent from you without being against you. I can criticize you without being a traitor to you. I can try to caution you without impeding you. If you are say to me I can’t (that’s a distinct possibility, well I know), I don’t really care. I don’t want to be in your party. Please, though, why?

    “Btw, I was curious to see where you were posting from since something told me that you were looking for a rumble.”

    I’m not looking for a rumble. I am looking for an intelligent discussion where you hear me out and then I hear you out and so on. That’s not a rumble. It is also not a luxury, even at a terrible time like this, nor a waste of time. There’s something very one-sided going on here, Louis. I wouldn’t mind interrupting that.

    Thanks for even bothering to respond. That surprises, and impresses me.

    “As I suspected, you are using a proxy server with a high risk factor according to IPQualityScore. It also states that your IP has been blacklisted. So, bye-bye.”

    That’s news to me. I am posting from my bedroom in Fairbanks, Alaska. I am using a WiFi my high school-aged son has via high school. I won’t give out too much personal information here, due to disastrous results of that in the past.

    You know: I have to say: come on! You are smart to use your resources to check me out. I am deeply troubled to now be called a “paid Russian agent” or some such by “leftists” and/or “liberals” because I don’t follow what they think is the party line. I don’t follow what they consider the party line and I don’t follow what you consider the party line either. I’m not paid by anyone or in anyone’s service or debt (thankfully.) I’m a schmuck in my boxers, scared, not shitting my pants, thinking it isn’t so terrible or beyond our capacities to sort this out before it is too late. (Which it nearly is, but it isn’t until it is, and that’s something I will never, and hopefully you will never, forget.)

    Comment by Yusef — August 14, 2020 @ 1:10 am

  13. I thought I had you blocked but the last two digits of your IP address changed. Now it is 107.77.205.23, the last time it was 107.77.205.72. So now I have it blocked as 107.77.205. The IP checker I use says that you are in Eugene, Oregon, not Fairbanks, Alaska. Anyhow, I have strict rules about using proxy servers. If you want to post comments here, you have to use the IP that was assigned to you by your provider, not some mother-fucking proxy server that are abused by trolls. I’ve yet to see anybody using one who is on the level. Bye-bye.

    Comment by louisproyect — August 14, 2020 @ 1:38 am

  14. “As if tearing down a Confederate General’s statue has something in common with the Taliban’s horrendous destruction of Buddha statues.”

    How about tearing down statues of Hans Christian Heg, Tadeusz Kosciuszko, the 77th New York Volunteer Infantry of the Union Army, Grant, and Lincoln?

    Maybe not the Taliban, but sure smells like Mao’s cultural devolution.

    Comment by Tanaka Ueno — August 15, 2020 @ 9:34 am

  15. Yea well it wasn’t all cultural devolution in China as they did give priority to peasant women in the Universities for the first time in history.

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — August 15, 2020 @ 6:25 pm

  16. You mean the peasant women who survived the great leap backwards? Nothing out of the norm for a bourgeois nationalist revolution there. You’ve got to get a state bureaucracy from somewhere when constructing a capitalist state and economy.

    In the US women now outnumber men in universities. I don’t reckon you think that’s a proletarian paradise.

    Comment by Tanaka Ueno — August 16, 2020 @ 12:46 pm

  17. “You lost the capacity to think independently long ago.” Oh, the irony. Pot, meet kettle.

    Also, I was unaware that burning down city after city constituted peaceful protest, or that Columbus, Washington, and Jefferson were Confederate generals.

    Go wear your mask and pretend you’re saving the world. I can think of no more perfect symbol of the Woke than a muzzle over the mouth.

    Comment by Christina Andrews — August 16, 2020 @ 1:56 pm

  18. Washington and Jefferson statues were torn down because they were slave-owners. As for Columbus, he was guilty of genocide.

    Comment by louisproyect — August 16, 2020 @ 3:09 pm

  19. LP is correct on some points, but isnt it funny how so often he finds himself practically in bed with Bellingcat?
    Oh, wait…it’s possible to hold disparate views on various topics without being a right wing pro imperialist atlanticist?????? Oh. But when it comes to blumenthal or mate et al…theyre “drifting to the right?’
    Lol Self reflection aint ur strongsuit loo-ee.

    Comment by Barneyomama — August 18, 2020 @ 6:28 pm

  20. Sure, just compare Bellingcat and Grayzone on chemical attacks in Syria. Grayzone is doing PR for Assad, probably for the money. Meanwhile, Bellingcat relies on hard evidence.

    Comment by louisproyect — August 18, 2020 @ 7:25 pm

  21. Reminder to all you fuckwit trolls out there. Post a comment from a Proxy server and it goes into the garbage. In fact, I enjoy debating Assadist motherfuckers but not when you are using a Proxy server. Get it, assholes?

    Comment by louisproyect — August 18, 2020 @ 11:38 pm


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