Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

January 2, 2020

The Worldwide Church of Bashar al-Assad

Filed under: comedy,Syria — louisproyect @ 2:23 pm

21 Comments »

  1. Happy New Year!

    BTW … Who made the video?

    Comment by Reza — January 2, 2020 @ 5:20 pm

  2. “Do not listen to the doubters”….. Such as for example just about every corporate and government media outlet in the entire Western World, who also conspicuously continuously, push the Nato , Russophobic , Sinophobic, unilateralist, USA shining moral beacon on the hill Agenda , not to mention those Doyens of rectitude CIA, NSA,ASIO CGHQ.. and their associated intel Psy-OP, purveying lackeys .. One does not have to believe Russia, Assad, China and Iran are going to save the world to doubt the CIA imposed cartoon narratives of the corporate or government Media, not to mention most Hollywood films.
    Anyone with any sense or familiarity with how propaganda works can see thru intelligence funded Psi-ops like Bellingcat, The White Helmets , and so many older NGOs who have been corrupted, co-opted and or infiltrated…. whos the religious zealot here Louis?

    Comment by Marb — January 2, 2020 @ 11:39 pm

  3. What a fucking nitwit you are. The USA stopped supporting the rebels long ago while Russian and Syrian jets and helicopters bomb hospitals and schools in Idlib with impunity. All of this gives trash like you some kind of thrill, doesn’t it? As if bombing hospitals is like Fidel Castro in the Sierra Maestra. You people are truly sick. Also, motherfucker, I don’t mind you trolling but at least use the same fake name and email address while you are at it.

    Comment by louisproyect — January 2, 2020 @ 11:44 pm

  4. “The USA stopped supporting the rebels long ago” I never said they were…… ,now that the US has achieved its actual strategic objective of “Protecting” Syrias oil and a permanent presence they do what they always do with the Contra’s they’ve created and backed in half the countries on the face of the planet abandon them , ..Kurds, ISIS ..so called.moderate rebels … all disposable , what i did and do say is that the USA’s secret police who’s business it is to protect the interests of Wall street Bankers and enforce Global hegemony do so by corrupting the Media and creating and funding its fake intelligence Psy op sources, as well as co-opting the “Compatible Left”
    to quote Diana Johstone
    “The trouble with “Trotskyists” is that they are always “supporting” other people’s more or less imaginary revolutions. They are always telling others what to do. They know it all. The practical result of this verbal agitation is simply to align this brand of Trotskyism with U.S imperialism. The obsession with permanent revolution ends up providing an ideological alibi for permanent war.”

    Comment by mmmhphhhrrrahh — January 3, 2020 @ 3:19 am

  5. I told you to stop using different names, didn’t I, Marb? Or is it mmmhphhhrrrahh? I don’t give a shit if you use a fake name, I am just expecting something consistent so people can figure out who is saying what. Oh, never mind. You are banned.

    Comment by louisproyect — January 3, 2020 @ 4:10 am

  6. The video is excellent and makes good points about the nauseating Church of Assad and its disturbed cultists.

    @Marb – “There are many so-called anti-imperialists who always criticise Western intervention but justify Iranian/Russian intervention. Iran is not a legit actor in Iraq/Syria/Leb/Yemen. Its crimes there are no less reprehensible than those by the US or colonialists” (Rym Momtaz)

    Comment by gardadilago — January 3, 2020 @ 4:02 pm

  7. Rather good timing, Louis–only 4 or 5 days tardy–on this “moving” video in as much as that in Bolivia (where we spent nearly two years) the 28th of December celebrates the Dia de los Inocentes, which my Bolivian friends explained is the equivalent of our April Fools’ Day. Only after viewing it, did I comprehend you’re categorizing it as “comedy.” Thank you for the brief chuckle.

    Bill in VA

    Comment by Bill Boyd — January 3, 2020 @ 5:16 pm

  8. The thing you will never actually get Proyect, that you absolutely refuse to engage with, is that most of us simply genuinely don’t believe it’s right for anyone (whether the US, the Arab Gulf States, Turkey, or Israel) to destabilize other countries, attempt to overthrow their governments, and fuel years of conflict through influxes of cash, fighters, and propaganda, both based on principle and on the simple fact that the results have been disastrous in practice.

    There are indeed a few genuine ‘Assad apologists’ around, probably on the Syrian dole. You can find all kinds of people on the internet. But the vast majority of people you spend so much time raging about simply want the US and its ‘allies’ to stop screwing around in the internal affairs of other countries, particularly countries in the Middle-east.

    Assad is a dictator. I have no sympathy for someone who inherited his ‘presidency’ (the 2014 election was a complete farce). If I could snap my fingers and magically replace the Syrian regime with a genuinely democratic government, I would. But I can’t do that. And I see no way to remove that government that doesn’t involve lots of bloodshed, with very little chance of a remotely stable, democratic society emerging on the other side. Surely Saddam Hussein and the destruction of Iraq and the pile of 1,000,000+ corpses left in its wake should have served as a warning that just because someone is a brutal dictator does not mean that their removal at all costs is always, or possibly even ever, the best course of action.

    Syria today is not better off than it was before 2011. As far as I can tell, and there is lots of propaganda and narratives floating around, the initial protests were entirely genuine, domestic, and peaceful. And the regime’s suppression of them was brutal and murderous. But it wasn’t long before foreign powers started pouring in money and fighters to supercharge the rebellion. And they didn’t do it out of any desire to help the Syrian people.

    I simply do not understand how at any point in this conflict, except maybe very early on in it, you could look at the Syrian conflict and honestly see anything resembling your ideals emerging out of it. If the Syrian government fell, what was once Syria would have quickly fractured into multiple warring pieces, with the dominant players being various flavors of, yes, head-chopping jihadis who have at least as little interest in democracy or progressive values as the Damascus government.

    The current dominant faction among the Idlib ‘rebels’ is Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, a Salafist jihadist alliance comprised of, among other groups (all of them Sunni extremists) al-Qaeda. They are terrorists. Your scoffing, raging, and ridicule isn’t going to change that simple, objective fact. The revolution and ‘moderate opposition’, to the extent that they ever existed in the first place, is dead and buried.

    Comment by Benjamin — January 3, 2020 @ 8:18 pm

  9. The worst part is this just isn’t funny.

    Comment by shaggyctb — January 4, 2020 @ 2:59 am

  10. a) It is funny. I laughed especially when it said being a ‘racist sack of shit’, didn’t matter. Assad Church parishioners can be Nazi, Beeley, Galloway, all welcome. That is funny, and very true.
    b) Benjamin, you write that you don’t believe ‘its right for anyone to destabilize other countries’, but the protests were born, and grew from within Syria and from Syrians. Destabilisation did then come from outside , and from Iran especially, (under Obamas leadership , Solomeini ‘ferries supplies to Assad as early as 2012 over Iraqi airspace and eventually send Iraqi and Afghan militias, and Quds Force personnel. We watched them lay siege to, and starve countless Syrian towns from Homs to Mouadmaya to Aleppo.’) And Russia. Never mind what action you can possibly take as a Socialist in the West, it seems to me a first duty to make the attempt to see clearly and there Proyect has always been ‘getting’ the point. A Left that didn’t parrot catchphrases about ‘head chopping jhadis’, borrowed from Fascists to describe Fascists, but had a sense of social justice and intellectual rigour, that would be a better place to start than your anti ‘US, Arab Gulf States, Turkey, Israel’, geopolitics. ( Proyect and his politics are not all about the projection of American power in other countries anyhow. Not by a long chalk.)

    Comment by gardadilago — January 4, 2020 @ 2:48 pm

  11. The US, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar were funding and supporting the rebels as far back as at least 2012 as well. So the ‘the regime got outside help first’ line doesn’t much work. Syria was a proxy war from very early on.

    And as I said. All the scoffing and ridicule will not change the simple fact that the head-choppers do literally exist, in large numbers, among the ‘rebels’. At this point they are the key player in Idlib. And it’s been darkly amusing to watch, since the start of the Turkish incursion against the Kurds and the hasty US retreat, the media ‘suddenly’ realize that the supposedly more secular Free Syrian Army, now under open Turkish control, are in fact not particularly nice people either.

    I think this is where someone pipes up and says something about me being an Islamophobe, for saying Muslim fighters are all scary jihadists. No, I’m saying scary jihadists are scary jihadists. But trying to communicate with people of the Proyect crowd is like bashing your head against a brick wall, because stating simple objective facts like the presence of significant Salafi jihadist elements, particularly foreign-backed ones, among the rebels is dismissed as bigotry.

    Comment by Benjamin — January 4, 2020 @ 9:13 pm

  12. “I think this is where someone pipes up and says something about me being an Islamophobe, for saying Muslim fighters are all scary jihadists. No, I’m saying scary jihadists are scary jihadists. But trying to communicate with people of the Proyect crowd is like bashing your head against a brick wall, because stating simple objective facts like the presence of significant Salafi jihadist elements, particularly foreign-backed ones, among the rebels is dismissed as bigotry.”

    You should learn to quote people if you intend to critique them.

    https://louisproyect.org/2016/08/03/morbid-symptoms/

    When the Arab Spring arose, the well-organized and well-funded groups like the Muslim Brotherhood were able to prevail over inexperienced youth whose understanding of class politics was underdeveloped. In other parts of the world, when mass movements lacked the experience and acumen to take a fight to its conclusion, there was always the possibility of recovery and preparation for a new round in the class struggle.

    In Syria, Egypt and the other countries analyzed by Gilbert Achcar, the possibilities for renewed struggle on a higher level are much more constrained. The ferocity of the ruling classes, the absence of a powerful working class (except in Egypt), and the entrenchment of political Islam makes the left’s task more daunting. Perhaps the most important task in this period is to bring to bear the political clarity that can help a new generation of activists become grounded in Marxism. As such, a book like “Morbid Symptoms: Relapse in the Arab Uprising” will have the power of a well-aimed artillery shell.

    Comment by louisproyect — January 4, 2020 @ 9:22 pm

  13. First, spare me the implied protest that you haven’t engaged in smearing people who aren’t cool with jihadists Islamophobes. You can’t have it both ways, later admitting that they in fact do dominate in the ‘opposition’ and providing links to explanations as to how that happened.

    And don’t think I’ve forgotten that you’ve previously expressed support for AQ, at least when they’re killing Syrian troops. Maybe you want others to drop that down the memory hole, but I refuse to.

    Comment by Benjamin — January 5, 2020 @ 8:50 pm

  14. Benjamin, it is a waste of time trying to debate you since you are putting words in my mouth. If you were interested in such a debate, you’d have quoted me just as I quoted Assadists in the relevant post: https://louisproyect.org/2015/10/05/a-closer-look-at-jabhat-al-nusra/

    My advice is to study Lenin’s polemics, especially against Kautsky. They are brimming with passages from Kautsky’s writings. Of course, if your only interest is in throwing spitballs, I don’t see much value in putting up with them.

    Comment by louisproyect — January 5, 2020 @ 9:04 pm

  15. ‘The Syrian government facilitated the flow of extremists and foreign fighters through its territory, permitting them to use Syria as a transit point for jihad in Iraq following the US-led invasion in 2003’. Assad regime is not anti-jihadist. It is a self serving tyranny. No Socialist is ‘cool with jihadists’ because Socialism is the natural enemy of religious claptrap and political – religious Fascist thuggery. But only an idiot sees only ‘ AQ jihadism’ as the enemy in Syria and remains purblind to a regime that is built on terror, lies , torture, massive repression, indiscriminate murder.

    Comment by gardadilago — January 5, 2020 @ 10:30 pm

  16. Not blind at all to the crimes of the Syrian government, gardadilago. It’s a totalitarian dictatorship. Which means that the bar is set quite low for a group waging war against it to be just as bad or worse than the regime itself. Jihadists are unable to my mind to clear even that low hurdle. They are not an improvement.

    And ‘actually, al-Nusra are quite enlightened jihadists’ is quite a take, Proyect.

    I especially like the bit where you point out that Iran is also a fundamentalist Islamic state, and mock the idea of people being okay with that but anti-Nusra. This only a few paragraphs after you yourself cite Nusra fighting ISIS as evidence it can’t really be that scary of a jihadist faction.

    Comment by Benjamin — January 6, 2020 @ 4:33 am

  17. ‘actually, al-Nusra are quite enlightened jihadists’

    Don’t be such a brat, Benjamin. When you put something like this in quotes, people assume it was something I said. My regular readers are quite good at detecting bullshit, after all, so this sort of thing only makes you look devious.

    Comment by louisproyect — January 6, 2020 @ 1:08 pm

  18. No, if it were a direct quote I would have put it in quotation marks. Using apostrophes instead to indicate a paraphrase summary is quite common internet practice, boomer. Especially given the context. And it’s an accurate summary of your article.

    “My regular readers are quite good at detecting bullshit”

    No they aren’t; they read you regularly.

    Comment by Benjamin — January 7, 2020 @ 12:33 am

  19. Using apostrophes instead to indicate a paraphrase summary is quite common internet practice, boomer.

    Really? Googling “apostrophes paraphrase internet practice” turned up nothing. You really are shameless, aren’t you? That’s what you get from reading WSWS, Global Research and Moon of Alabama everyday. It rots out your brain.

    Comment by louisproyect — January 7, 2020 @ 12:46 am

  20. Tangentially, it’s interesting that CNN’s “Editor-At-Large” Chris Cillizza is crediting “Grayzone” Assadist Ben Norton as inspiring Elizabeth Warren to changer her tact/rhetoric on Soleimani’s death. I mean it’s just garbage, as I don’t think the “analysis” piece in which Cillizza makes that claim even successfully argues that Warren really changed tact/rhetoric, let alone that Norton played a major role, but it’s interesting to see Norton/”Grayzone”/etc. credited as major left “influencers” on the presidential election by the mainstream media.

    What Elizabeth Warren’s statements on Qasem Soleimani really tell us
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/06/politics/elizabeth-warren-quasem-soleimani-trump-2020/index.html

    Comment by Ned Borton — January 7, 2020 @ 7:04 pm

  21. Too bad there’s no generational epithet signifying “smug, entitled little shitass.” Somehow “OK SELS” doesn’t quite have the necessary ring of petrified dummheit

    Comment by Farans Kalosar — January 8, 2020 @ 10:42 pm


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