Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

October 7, 2015

The hypocrisy of “Anti-Imperialist” support of Russian intervention in Syria

Filed under: Uncategorized — louisproyect @ 1:26 am

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  1. “The already bloody conflict in Syria” … courtesy not of the Russians, but of the CIA / Mossad? And yeah yeah yeah on “That Assad, he’s so baaad …” and on the Russia is all imperialist and has been, but RUSSIA’S blood sucking capitalist tentacles aren’t the vampire leeches sucking the blood from 7 billion brutalized human bodies [less the 25%] or sucking resources such as oil from seven continents, now is it?

    The more URGENT concern, might be how Syria seems to be turning out to be 1930s Spain of the famous Spanish Civil War where both Herr Hitler and “The West” tried out all of their brand new weapons and war gamed their new battle strategeries, not in abstraction, but with actual blood on the ground.

    The only diff now is, neither Herr Hitler nor the Herrs Churchill / FDR / Daladier had, well, NUCLEAR WEAPONS… .

    Is it not time for all this fucking shit to stop?

    But, I didn’t mean to interrupt … of course, please go on …

    Comment by thom — October 8, 2015 @ 4:35 am

  2. Yes Thom that reminds me Louis posted some BS link a few weeks ago that claimed that the Saudis were not bank rolling ISIS. Well then just who the hell is? One does not need an inside source to know that waging conventional war over a wide area is a very expensive undertaking. ISIS is not a band of El Salvadorian freedom fighters. So who has the capabilities and motive to bankroll ISIS? I think that the list would be a short one.
    Something else about the middle east that anyone would know if they cared to know, without needing to read it in black and white somewhere is that the Saudi government despite their enormous wealth and even quite substantial military power delivered by the MIC of the USA have never lifted even their pinky finger to assist the non zionist occupants of Palestine. So with such a record of behavior it would not at all be difficult to draw a conclusion about what might motivate such behavior. So, to draw a line between Washington, and Tel Aviv and Riyadh would be as simple as connecting dots one, two, and three in the coloring book of a five year old.
    So what all of this leads to is that the Syrian Civil War makes a horse shit litmus test to determine if one is a bonafide anti imperialist and any and all attempts to make it a litmus test are stupid.

    Comment by Curt Kastens — October 8, 2015 @ 11:12 am

  3. but RUSSIA’S blood sucking capitalist tentacles aren’t the vampire leeches sucking the blood from 7 billion brutalized human bodies [less the 25%] or sucking resources such as oil from seven continents, now is it?

    Well, of course. Everybody by now should realize that because of NAFTA, it makes perfect sense to support barrel bombing fruit vendors. Why hadn’t I thought of that, smacking my forehead.

    Comment by louisproyect — October 8, 2015 @ 11:46 am

  4. Louis,
    Yes that was a brilliant observation. Some one of your many years of expirience should have thought of that sooner, The US military’s support for the FSA was fake from the very beginning. I wish that I would have been able to take credit for comming up with that idea. The US leadership had planned to stab the FSA in the back all along. They gave the FSA inadequate support from the very beginning becasue they knew and approved of the Saudi plan to give massive support to Taliban types in Syria. the support for the FSA was just to buy time for the Saudis to build up their proxy forces. Then the MIC of the USA would cover their indirect support of th eTaliban types by launching some ineffective airstrikes on the Taliban types. I do not know for sure if the plan was for Assad to stay in power or for the Taliban types to take over. If I had to guess it would have been for the Taliban types to take over. The last thing that the US government would want anywhere is a socialist alternative that could serve as a model to others in the middle east. Shit that might even give some Jews living in Israel ideas about socialism that they should not be allowed to have according to the leaders of the empire.
    Yes if the US military had as you requested effictively backed the FSA Assad would be dead or in Russia now and Syria would truely be a thorn in the side of the US political elite. Those paper pushers in the Pentagon were real fools not to follow your request.

    Comment by Curt Kastens — October 8, 2015 @ 4:22 pm

  5. Louis, care to comment on the US role, and on the position of Riyadh and the Persian Gulf states, in the story linked to below?

    —–> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/08/russia-pay-price-syrian-airstrikes-ashton-carter-us-defence-secretary

    Comment by Rosa CG — October 8, 2015 @ 6:54 pm

  6. What are you expecting me to say? That it is in the interest of peace, social justice and proletarian internationalism to back Russian cruise missiles being launched into Syria? Do you think I am so stupid as to rise to your bait? The worst intervention that the USA mounted was to block the Syrian rebels from getting MANPAD’s from Libya. Those missiles would have made a graveyard out of MIGs. Instead the MIGs have been making graveyards out of Homs, Aleppo, Douma and Hama. The trouble with skunks like you is that you are in a state of denial about these atrocities and I am not talking about the river in Egypt.

    Comment by louisproyect — October 8, 2015 @ 7:12 pm

  7. Do you care to devote any space here to the latest US statements or not? It should go without saying that this does not necessarily entail support for Russian cruise missile attacks. US statements as described above suggest a very serious escalation, as do statements from Riyadh. Should not the left in the US be focused on influencing politics in that country, where it may have the effect of preventing further escalation of an even wider regional war, from which no progressive force will likely benefit?

    Comment by Rosa CG — October 8, 2015 @ 7:26 pm

  8. Should not the left in the US be focused on influencing politics in that country, where it may have the effect of preventing further escalation of an even wider regional war, from which no progressive force will likely benefit?

    —-

    There are 500 articles in CounterPunch, DissidentVoice, Global Research, ZNet, Salon, the Nation, Moon of Alabama, MRZine, VoltaireNet each month making the points you want to make here. I am not going to repeat what they are writing. It would be much better if you contacted their editors and ask them to include one article like the kind I write for every 500 giving backhanded support for the Baathist mafia state.

    Comment by louisproyect — October 8, 2015 @ 7:34 pm

  9. If the US decides to escalate the war, do you believe the left would be in a position to offer meaningful practical opposition? This would seem to be the most pressing concern of the American left at the moment.

    Comment by Rosa CG — October 8, 2015 @ 7:41 pm

  10. Louis,
    That the US blocked Rebel attempts to get anti aircraft missles is something that I was not even aware of. This highlights a moral dilemma as I see it. If I were the head of a some kind of institution such as THE International Socialist Coordinating Committee (ISCC) it would make sense to lobby governments, including the US government to suppport anti Assad rebel leaders that had been vetted and approved of by the ISCC central Committee. But if I were a socialist member of the central committee of the USA it would make sense to say no to the ISCC. Non Govermental politcal organizations have a duty to support their bretheren around the world. Yet Governments have an obligation not to get involved in foriegn disputes in the vast majority of cases. Yet the vast majority is not the same as 100%. Exceptions are possible. Even worse it is easy for government leaders to encourage and support NGOs to do the dirty work that government officials should not do. So life often presents us with very murky choices.
    There is a long range soulution to ensuring that humans never have to deal with these problems again. The solution is a firm comittment to birth control. Birth Control the FINAL SOLUTION to the Human Problem.

    Comment by Curt Kastens — October 8, 2015 @ 8:00 pm

  11. “Backhanded support for the Baathist mafia state.”

    More attention-seeking and nonsensical ranting from Obama’s low rent Hitchens/Streicher. A pretty clear cut case of narcissistic personality disorder. You need treatment.

    https://startpage.com/do/search?q=narcissistic+personality+disorder&lui=english

    Comment by Noram — October 9, 2015 @ 8:07 am


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