Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

May 30, 2012

Syriza’s program

Filed under: Greece — louisproyect @ 3:32 pm

http://www.greanvillepost.com/2012/05/27/the-european-situation-syrizas-program/

27 Comments »

  1. Looks like the wish list of an incoherent committee rather than a coherent Marxist programme. It is long and complicated and seems designed to alienate the masses rather than attract them but such is the desperatness of the situation it attracts them anyway. A popular non-demagogic marxist programme addressing the most immediate and transitional needs of the Greek working class would start by stating unequivocallly that a Syriza government or any government calling itself a workers’ government would immediately end the bail out of the bankrupt Greek banks as this is the primary cause of the bankrupting of the Greek state and nation. That it would transfer all the assets of these banks including all the deposits, buildings and workers into a new state-owned People’s Bank with a monopoly of credit that would lend Euros at base rate and facilitate social investment. Anything else such as `nationalising the banks’ (they are bankrupt why would you) or controlling or reglulating the banks is just preparation for a sell out.

    Ending the bail out of the bankrupt banks is an unavoidable action that may well get them kicked out of the Euro or even the EU and they must prepare the Greek working class for it whilst assuring them that they will fight tooth and nail against it. Defending desirable and necessary public spending is essential to avoid an anti-working class austerity and pledging to collect sufficient taxes to pay for them and balance the budget will make it harder for Greece to be excluded and expelled from the Euro or EU as combined with ending the bail out it would be popular across the whole of Europe and is in fact the solution for all EU countries.

    Third on the programme to ending the bail out and defending public services and spending should be full employment by sharing the available productive work and of course they should call for the establishment of committees of all grades of workers to challenge for management of all enterprises, monopolies and public services.

    Stick that up your pipe and smoke it.

    Comment by Pigeon Wing — May 30, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

  2. Looks like the wish list of an incoherent committee rather than a coherent Marxist programme.

    Well, my suggestion is that you draft one right away and have it translated into Greek. I am sure that the masses would take to it like a duck takes to water. Plus, don’t forget to include something on Kronstadt.

    Comment by louisproyect — May 30, 2012 @ 4:21 pm

  3. America is the world capital of greed, enterprise and self absorbed CEOS who have lined the pockets of our elected officials (and hopefuls) with campaign contributions and lobbying that keep the corrupt two party dictatorship going. My heart goes out to Greece, if it’s anything like us, I suggest the people govern themselves as I think we Americans should do too. Our government is completely incompetent whether it’s run under Obama or Romney makes no God damned difference.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — May 30, 2012 @ 4:25 pm

  4. How astute of you, Louis, to notice that Pigeon Wing failed to mention Kronstadt! I’m curious, though. When you published this link to the translation of what is, or may be, Syriza’s official program, what kind of comments, if any, were you hoping for? (Not, I hope, those like that of Ms. Jeffries, a comment that she could, with equal vacuousness, use over and over again by just changing ‘Greece’ to whatever country is under discussion on the page she is looking at.)

    Comment by Red Snapper — May 30, 2012 @ 7:12 pm

  5. What kind of comments, if any, were you hoping for?

    Maybe something like that’s the kind of party we need in the USA? Of course, people like Pigeon Wing won’t be satisfied until it lives up to his ideals. Less idealism, of course, would be most salutary.

    Comment by louisproyect — May 30, 2012 @ 7:17 pm

  6. Thanks for posting this Louis. It’s quite interesting. The first time I can recall in modern day seeing such a list of things that speaks to the consciousness of people in struggle with things that are eminently reasonable and some quite revolutionary. Aren’t many of these things what used to be called “transitional demands” that bring the crisis of revolution closer by popularizing things that would be impossible to win under the existing system? You’re right, we’d be lucky to have a mass party in the US with this kind of platform. Is SYRIZA still expected to win the runoff? They do need to prepare for the inevitable conflict with the military and the far right. Hope/danger ahead.

    Comment by ish — May 30, 2012 @ 9:20 pm

  7. Red Snapper my comments come from my vantage point or location to simplify it for you (AMERICA). I make comparisons to other nation’s systems of oppression and challenge the leaders of my own homeland to right the wrongs that have oppressed the proletariat for here for centuries. If you don’t like it well that’s just too damned bad now isn’t it?

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — May 30, 2012 @ 11:01 pm

  8. `Well, my suggestion is that you draft one right away and have it translated into Greek. I am sure that the masses would take to it like a duck takes to water. Plus, don’t forget to include something on Kronstadt.’

    You are a genuine clown. You post up a programme on a blog with a discussion facility beneath it and then slag people off for discussing it. Marxism in one country. Please drop dead soon.

    Comment by Marty — May 31, 2012 @ 8:23 am

  9. Marty, I really don’t care very much for Trotskyist sectarians. Having been one for 11 years gave me the antenna I need to detect comments of such pedigree here. I really can’t take them very seriously. You can drop dead yourself. I will meet you in hell.

    Comment by louisproyect — May 31, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  10. Another Greek’s viewpoint on SYRIZA’s program (focused on the implications of demand #1):
    “…how realist is to suppose that loan funds and solvency injections that have been offered under the condition of extreme austerity and ‘structural adjustment’ will continue to be available if the austerity policies are abandoned?”
    http://www.thepressproject.net/detailsen.php?id=21258

    Comment by Rick — May 31, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

  11. Marty I believe that it is people like you that make the Marxist movement so fragmented and is the primary reason why we can’t grow a seriously taken Communist or Socialist party in the United States. If Marxism is ever to gain real momentum here, the majority of us would have to be on the same page or at least have a similar future goal to achieve.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — May 31, 2012 @ 7:03 pm

  12. So to criticise Syriza’s programme is verboten by this newly minted stalinist twerp. You were never a trotskyist you did however spend 11 years in a bureaucratised self-serving sect where you learned stalinist methodology off by heart. Your Kronstadt quip would suggest you’ve taken the imperialist shilling. Wanker.

    Comment by Cancer — June 1, 2012 @ 3:16 pm

  13. When it was translated into English was it because it was considered to be the word of god or the ten commandments. It was intended as pearls to swine and not up for debate. Fucking cretin.

    Comment by Cancer — June 1, 2012 @ 3:19 pm

  14. ~11 who would want to be on the same page as you or proyect. If anybody is doing damage to marxism in the US it is proyect and his pathetic attempts to create unity between the stalinists and the trots on his stupid marxmail list as if he hadn’t been in a sect where `trotskyism’ and stalinism found a happy form of co-existence. He can’t get enough.

    Comment by Cancer — June 1, 2012 @ 3:21 pm

  15. Cancer, good point. I am trying to create unity between “Stalinists” and “Trotskyists”. Not only that, I am trying to create unity among all those who oppose capitalism. You, of course, are entitled to your own political carcinogenics.

    Comment by louisproyect — June 1, 2012 @ 3:25 pm

  16. It was intended as pearls to swine and not up for debate. Fucking cretin.

    Well, what a potty mouth we have here. Maybe if you took some Xanax or Thorazine, you’d be capable of debate. Maybe both together by the looks of it.

    Comment by louisproyect — June 1, 2012 @ 3:43 pm

  17. I would recommend a strong dose of Valium or Librium. No a horse tranquilizer is best. None of you are of the Communist or Socialist party. You’re registered as affiliated Lunatics with your party convention in an insane asylum.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — June 1, 2012 @ 8:20 pm

  18. This thread isn’t perhaps the best place for an intelligent discussion of this issue, but there was a really interesting link floating around facebook today:

    http://www.socialistunity.com/greece-answering-the-critics-of-a-united-front/

    Comment by ish — June 2, 2012 @ 12:21 am

  19. Way to go with the KOE is all I really have to say about Greece. There is a lack of intelligent discussion because the people here with differences of opinion choose to use profanities and childish gibberish directed at the blog owner than wonder why he has a comeback response?

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — June 2, 2012 @ 12:44 am

  20. Ignoring the ultraleft idiocy in this thread, let’s say SYRIZA is able to form a government, and the military starts to make some threatening gestures. Should SYRIZA call the bluff? Will they?

    Comment by Domitian — June 2, 2012 @ 9:30 pm

  21. Sorry, Deborah, but the blog owner has, over the last year or two at least, outdone almost any other poster on this site in his readiness to respond to differences of opinion with “profanities and childish gibberish”. But since he tolerates your consistent banalities and inanities without comment, you are not likely to be offended by him.

    Comment by Red Snapper — June 3, 2012 @ 7:07 am

  22. ish @6: “You’re right, we’d be lucky to have a mass party in the US with this kind of platform.”

    We’d be ‘lucky’ if the level of political consciousness in the U.S. radicalized enough to generate a mass party with the politics of Eduard Bernstein, Henry George, Ralph Nader, Jack Barnes or Bob Avakian. Does that mean that we wouldn’t or shouldn’t criticize the politics, program, or platform of such a party were it to come into existence?

    Comment by Red Snapper — June 3, 2012 @ 10:03 am

  23. Snapper, you can find all sorts of “criticisms” of Syriza at the World Socialist Web Site. People like you think that revolutions are made by pointing out the errors of reformists or centrists or whatever. In reality you are someone who has never led a struggle in your life. In fact an Internet troll using a bullshit fake name to look for trouble on a blog you are hostile to is not good enough to clean the shoes of a Healyite sectarian who is actually putting his beliefs on the line. When you aren’t posting your comments here, you are probably playing video games or picking your nose. What a loser.

    Comment by louisproyect — June 3, 2012 @ 12:51 pm

  24. A “workers government” coming to power in Greece should roll the lessons of Argentina, Iceland, Venezuela, Bolivia, and Ecuador all rolled into one. The first two countries implemented Post-Keynesian monetary and labour measures, plus Argentina defaulted to screw the IMF. Venezuela’s cooperative, social, and co-management measures, and also its drive for energy and general economic sovereignty, is welcome. Bolivia is more focused on agriculture, but Greece is somewhere in between the two Latin American countries with regards to urbanization. Ecuador shows how to deal with neoliberal media barons from the get-go, plus Venezuela shows measures for later on.

    There are radical criticisms to be made of this combination, of course, but this big punch would be a good start.

    Comment by Jacob Richter — June 3, 2012 @ 3:54 pm

  25. Red Snapper I responded to one of your comments on the 5 Broken Cameras thread as being well written in regard to America’s hypocrisy in regard to its own poor record on human rights, so I don’t always disagree with points you’ve made. In terms of the subject of Greece, from what I have read in translation, I support the KOE’s position and message to the Greek establishment: You’re discredited, just get out. And the establishment should do just that.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — June 3, 2012 @ 4:56 pm

  26. Deborah, I’ll try to keep my participation in these discussions civil and rational, if for no other reason than to act as a counterweight to the owner of this blog.

    You write, “I support the KOE’s position and message to the Greek establishment: You’re discredited, just get out. And the establishment should do just that.”

    I doubt that the KOE, or of any serious party, would consider it its job to lecture the ‘establishment’ that it should ‘just get out’. Rather, it is the job of such a party to organize the forces to defeat and eliminate that ‘establishment’. It’s this kind of preachy formulation that you use that provokes me to call your postings ‘banal’.

    BTW, Proyect’s attack on me in @23 shows that my criticism of him in @21 was far too mild and charitable. Anybody who uses the term ‘loser’ as a put-down is, perhaps unconsciously, identifying with the winners in the capitalist game and is, ultimately, on the wrong side of the barricades.

    Comment by Red Snapper — June 3, 2012 @ 6:59 pm

  27. Comment no. 26 Red Snapper I agree they need to organize forces and have a clear strategy as I know that it’s not as simple as just saying get out otherwise I myself would stand up and yell that everyone in the White House and Congress are all capitalists now just get out. Don’t think it would work very well lol but hey I can dream can’t I?

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — June 3, 2012 @ 8:57 pm


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