Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

April 11, 2012

A mole at Fox TV (must read)

Filed under: ultraright — louisproyect @ 11:10 pm



  1. Most of us have to tell ourselves some form of bs as we head out the door each morning, off to fulfill our obligations at our day job. “This is temporary. I’m outta here just as soon as. . .”; “It’s a straight 9-5, the bennies are good and I don’t have to take anything home with me.” But this poor bastard — how does he work there? He had to go rogue, or go postal. To live in ‘merica, one relies upon various coping mechanisms.

    Comment by KJ — April 12, 2012 @ 1:03 pm

  2. Could he possibly have anything useful to say that sensible people don’t already know? That it’s a wholly political project, reactionary and filthy to the core, populated by neo-fascists spouting shallow, disingenous and spectacularly hypocritical commentary that’s slathered in stupidity and seasoned with bigotry? That their “reporting” is not, contrary to their own claims, fair and balanced? Is there anyone you’d care to know who isn’t aware of this already?

    Comment by David — April 12, 2012 @ 10:34 pm

  3. Exactly my thoughts David. Pretty underwhelming story IMHO.

    Comment by meltr — April 12, 2012 @ 10:43 pm

  4. Is the word fascist applicable?

    Comment by Pandora — April 13, 2012 @ 12:34 am

  5. Pandora, my feeling is that if you want to know what Umberto Eco’s description of fascism would look like personified, roughly, in 21st century America, I say: Look at Sean Hannity.

    Comment by David — April 13, 2012 @ 12:53 am

  6. Assuming Wikipedia has this right…

    The features of fascism [Umberto Eco] lists [in his 1995 essay “Eternal Fascism”] are as follows:
    “The Cult of Tradition”, combining cultural syncretism with a rejection of modernism (often disguised as a rejection of capitalism).
    “The Cult of Action for Action’s Sake”, which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
    “Disagreement Is Treason” – fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action.
    “Fear of Difference”, which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
    “Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class”, fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
    “Obsession with a Plot” and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often involves an appeal to xenophobia or the identification of an internal security threat. He cites Pat Robertson’s book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
    “Pacifism Is Trafficking with the Enemy” because “Life is Permanent Warfare” – there must always be an enemy to fight.
    “Contempt for the Weak” – although a fascist society is elitist, everybody in the society is educated to become a hero.
    “Selective Populism” – the People have a common will, which is not delegated but interpreted by a leader. This may involve doubt being cast upon a democratic institution, because “it no longer represents the Voice of the People”.
    “Newspeak” – fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

    Comment by Pandora — April 13, 2012 @ 2:09 pm

  7. You know how they say that autism is a spectrum which has a list of symptoms not all of which a person might show but which when they show a number of them he can be diagnosed as autistic? Well how many of these fascistic traits must you have before you are called fascist? Because Fox has quite a number of them. This is really fucking depressing.

    Comment by Pandora — April 13, 2012 @ 2:11 pm

  8. One really shouldn’t use the term “fascism” to describe what exists in the decaying imperial powers. Real classical “fascism” (with German National Socialism included in there) arose in states which had not achieved major imperial status and whose industrial economies were still in many respects underdeveloped and heavily agrarian. They regarded the more established industrial imperial powers as in bourgeois states that had begun to decay and saw themselves as logical successors. The fascist view of decaying bourgeois imperialists was different from a Marxist view in that it did not regard world proletarian revolution as the next stage but instead saw things in terms of a more cyclical process of the rise and fall nation-states built upon a racial base which may decay over time and thus lead to the disintegration of a previously great state.

    But the economies of Germany, Italy and Japan in the 1930s were not merely worn out husks. They were in many respects still industrializing and dynamically developing. This was what made possible the economic recovery in Germany which began in 1932 before Hitler had gained the Chancellorship. If such an economic recovery had not been in process then no amount of Nuremberg rallies would have given Hitler a stable regime. He was mostly saved by the fact that an economic recovery had already begun independently before he came into office and it allowed him to benefit from this.

    Nothing like that is on the horizon in the USA. The USA really is an overstretched imperial power with very little if any room open for an industrial revival. That is why things here are going to be very different from Germany or Italy in the 1930s.

    Comment by PatrickSMcNally — April 13, 2012 @ 9:30 pm

  9. Which prompts me to ask: is the word socialism applicable to Germany haunted by the specter of Hitler? I’m assuming that’s what you mean by “(with German National Socialism included in there).”

    Comment by Pandora — April 13, 2012 @ 9:45 pm

  10. I used that phrase “(with German National Socialism included in there)” because there were theoretical differences between Italian Fascism (the only movement which actually used the term “fascist” to desribe itself) and the NSDAP. There is some justification for grouping all such movements together under a generic term of “fascist” but it shouldn’t be stretched too far.

    The most important common ties which I can see between Hitler and Mussolini were that:
    *) In both Germany and Italy there was still very much of an agrarian economy; the potential of industrial development was far from exhausted.
    *) Neither country had yet achieved the status of a major colonial power which not only France and England but even smaller states like Belgium had.
    *) Both had an obvious economic potential to become major colonial powers.
    *) Both viewed their national economies as negatively affected by crises in an international capitalist market whose origins really derived from the overdeveloped character of the older imperial capitalist states, rather than from the domestic economies of Germany and Italy.
    *) Both saw a need and opportunity to reassert their own development as imperial industrial powers by closing themselves off from the crisis-ridden old capitalist world and asserting their own national development for which they would need to claim their own new imperial domains.

    That’s all very different from the USA today. The USA is a case of the been-there-done-that imperial power which is now looking back upon its glory days with a sense of frustration at the loss. The potential for a program like those of Hitler or Mussolini doesn’t really exist here.

    Comment by PatrickSMcNally — April 13, 2012 @ 11:02 pm

  11. Is this mole’s information a surprise to anyone? The channel of king nut Glenn Beck and my opinion is always right and if you don’t agree with me you’re fired Bill O’Reilly. They report and decide for you, that should be Fox’s motto or call it state run conservative television PROPAGANDA in other words.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — April 15, 2012 @ 12:39 am

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