Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

November 3, 2011

Veterans march in NYC to support OWS

Filed under: Occupy Wall Street — louisproyect @ 10:27 pm


  1. Now that’s what I’m talking about. No window smashing here.

    Comment by dave r — November 4, 2011 @ 11:53 am

  2. Here’s a soundtrack to the veteran’s march. Listen good

    Comment by Manuel Garcia, Jr. — November 4, 2011 @ 11:44 pm

  3. Not impressed. As a veteran who is proud to be ashamed of it, they should all be chanting about how ashamed they are, (or in my case, how proud to be ashamed they are, but then, I’m a poet). They can smash windows in Iraq but not here? Shows cowardice. Pompous duped fools for the most part….no respect for veterans here, except I do appreciate their value as a propaganda tool at this moment in time; much like the Ron Paulites, vets can be useful idiots in this movement

    Comment by Robert Allen — November 5, 2011 @ 2:16 pm

  4. I agree that there is a tendency to inflate the importance of veterans, except that, like you said, there is a propaganda value in it. Anyway, here’s another one:


    Second veteran injured in ‘Occupy Oakland’ violence

    … The veteran, 32-year-old Kayvan Sabeghi, underwent surgery on Friday for a ruptured spleen. Before he went into surgery, Sabeghi told his sister that he was walking to his home near Frank Ogawa Plaza when he was stopped by police, hit in the abdomen four times and then arrested and taken to jail where he could not receive medical treatment…

    Comment by PatrickSMcNally — November 5, 2011 @ 6:53 pm

  5. Thanks for your comment, Robert. I am not a veteran, nor ever will be, and am always nauseated when I hear even progressive/liberal-types sucking up to them and say, “Thank you for your service.” What’s to thank a person for invading a country that practically every time is not as militarily strong as ours and doing so based on the whim of a politician?

    Comment by Paul T — November 5, 2011 @ 6:56 pm

  6. As a socialist, I would never approach a veteran or an active-duty soldier or sailor with the words “thank-you for your service.” There is nothing a member of the armed forces does today that is in the service of the working majority, either here or abroad. Their “service” only serves the interests of the imperialists, period. However, they are quite literally workers and farmers in uniform, in their vast majority, most of whom who have enlisted for reasons of economic necessity. Furthermore, history tells us that when veterans and active-duty soldiers and sailors begin to join struggles such as the OWS, we can reasonably assume that the ideas that propel the struggle forward have begun to run deep inside the working-class. They are a powerful ally, and should always be approached in a fraternal and comradely manner. If we want to prevail, that is.

    Comment by dave r — November 5, 2011 @ 8:28 pm

  7. thanks y’all, I thought I’d get a lecture from some commenter about pissing in the troop’s Cheerio’s, something to the effect of their being soldier-citizens and ” Trotsky said yadda yadda” , and I have knock down drag out fights even in my family because I choose to devalorize the troops. It is true but simplistic to call them “cannon fodder”– well let me illustrate: I was the Forrest Gump of mid seventies troops. I carry the anger with me of being duped into that when I was 17 with a girlfriend in trouble and been kicked out of high school, and joined the Army as one of the first volunteers after the draft was stopped, in downtown Detroit, which looked like a bomb hit in the fall of 1975. I vividly recall being the only white person as far as the eye could see, and looking desperately for a place to buy underwear because I was wearing none, being the hillbilly I was, and I swear that after I went through the gauntlet of shots they give you and was herded into a little room with everybody else in skivvies, I raised my hand and took the oath to defend the constitution buck naked. And when I got to my permanent station at Fort Hood Texas, a young black man asked me “Who’d you kill?”, and I said “nobody, I just knocked up my girlfriend ” and he said “This is where the judge sends you”.
    Anybody can join it, they’ll take just about anybody is my thing, so it makes my head explode that they are valorized as if it was really something special and they are big heroes. However I may have overreached by calling them cowards and pompous duped fools. Duped, maybe, but since I stood in those shoes once (well, shoeless and naked but still!), I would now say “exploited workers” might be a better fit. It is the bourgeois fetishism of the troops I should be mad at, not the troops as individuals.


    Comment by Robert Allen — November 5, 2011 @ 8:44 pm

  8. thanks for these clarifying comments, I was a little harsh on the troops in mine: see I was the Forrest Gump of mid seventies troops, joined the army in downtown Detroit in seventy five, looked like a bomb hit, I was a scared 17 year old w/ pregnant girlfriend and wearing no underwear (I was a hillbilly from the Ozarks and the only white face for miles,trying to find a place to buy underwear at night with only a busy Walgreen’s open) and I swear I took the oath to defend the constitution buck naked. When I got to Fort Hood Texas, a young black guy asked me “who’d you kill?” and I said “nobody, I just knocked up my girlfriend” and he said, “well, this is the place the judge sends you”.
    So I want to backtrack from my “pompous duped fools” remark, as I recall I once stood in their shoes (or rather, shoeless and naked!), and describe them as exploited workers, nothing more or less.

    Comment by Robert Allen — November 5, 2011 @ 8:57 pm

  9. But veterans and enlisted men and women are no more responsible for military policy than the lathe operator at General Electric is responsible for the fact that the fruit of his/her labor will be used to build armaments to be stored in the arsenal of the bankers and bosses.

    Comment by dave r — November 5, 2011 @ 9:46 pm

  10. Dave, to some degree you’re absolutely right. But they could still decide to opt out altogether, although I imagine that for many people it’s one of their few options available. All the same, I don’t see their involvement in the military as anything but a tragedy, unless they come back changed and committed to fight imperialism.

    Comment by Paul T — November 7, 2011 @ 12:49 pm

  11. Comment by Binh — November 16, 2011 @ 6:08 pm

  12. My father in life was so proud to be a veteran.

    I have tremendous respect for them but not the government they serve.

    The American government treats veterans like total shit once they return from service. I don’t know how it is in another states, but services are extremely limited for vets in Connecticut as I posted before we couldn’t get my pop in the VA hospital or help with burial costs.

    There are many homeless vets here.

    The government quickly forgets what our troops.

    Glad to see vets involved in Occupy.

    Our veterans deserve way better than limited government services and budget cuts.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — November 17, 2011 @ 6:46 am

  13. I’m sure the vets teamed up with Occupy because of how they’re treated when the government can no longer use them.

    The government quickly forgets our troops (that is what I meant to say in my last post I didn’t finish my sentence sorry).

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — November 17, 2011 @ 3:20 pm

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