Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

October 14, 2011

One percenter

Filed under: Obama — louisproyect @ 1:50 pm

33 Comments »

  1. Too bad Bob Dylan didn’t paint this one.

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — October 14, 2011 @ 2:08 pm

  2. I don’t recall ever before a progressive, pro-working-class movement with such breath erupting during a sitting Democratic Party administration, at least not since the 1960’s, a time during which my main preoccupation in life was choosing between The Beverly Hillbillies and I Dream of Jeannie on the Boob Tube. It shows just how deep the discontent has become and how out of it the liberals are beginning to sound.

    Comment by dave r — October 14, 2011 @ 3:49 pm

  3. Dave R, it’s because the Democrats are players on team capitalism just as the Republicans are.

    Americans have finally figured this out.

    The two party majority is the problem that won’t have a solution as long as they are allowed to continue ruling the nation.

    It’s nothing but a political monopoly comrade.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — October 14, 2011 @ 3:59 pm

  4. Thank-you for your comment Deborah. I think you are right.

    Comment by dave r — October 14, 2011 @ 4:05 pm

  5. Would’ve looked better to have had Obama’s face suspended like the apple in the original and a face peeking out from behind it.

    As it is, I think it’s overdone.

    Comment by Todd — October 14, 2011 @ 4:40 pm

  6. Now paint a picture of the 99% ameriKKKan$ who eat 75% of the worlds wealth. I guess ameriKKKans onely think they matter, not that their oppre$$$ion matters. Fuck them, let’s instead hope that more terrorists slam into buildings during the oKKKupation of Balls St.

    Comment by Marcell Rodden — October 14, 2011 @ 5:40 pm

  7. Marcell is a politically confused Canadian youth who was under the impression that he was some kind of Marxist a couple of years ago when he signed up for the Marxism list. Nowadays I think he is much more in the nihilist mode of a Dostoevsky novel and really quite off-putting.

    Comment by louisproyect — October 14, 2011 @ 5:43 pm

  8. Marcell thats right you’re the guy who commented that all Americans use cell phones and eat rich food, and I pointed out for you how many homeless, hungry and unemployed people live here.

    46 million are at or below poverty level.

    So if you did your homework, you would know that only one percent of America’s population is wealthy and the rest of us are not.

    And if you really analyzed this blog and it’s participants, it would be clear that we don’t back the government or the ruling class and their policies.

    So stop lumping all of us into a catagory decorated with dollar signs when we are fighting for proletarian justice.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — October 14, 2011 @ 7:05 pm

  9. Marcell seems to think we’re all the same.

    One category, one classification and all wealthy.

    Marcell as anyone hear who knows me and has read my commentaries, they would tell you I am the most anti-rich, anti-privileged and anti-bourgeois American you could ever meet.

    What I don’t appreciate is being categorized as a bourgeoisie just because I’m American

    I fight for the economically disadvantaged because I am one myself.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — October 14, 2011 @ 7:59 pm

  10. Marcell is a reactionary revisionist who only pretends to be a MTWist. His position is made crystal clear by his failure to fully uphold the JDPON (Joint Dictatorship of Proletarian Nations) , the Revolutionary Plan de San Diego, and the Thought of Trofim Lysenko.Marcell only pretends to uphold these things. Beware those who wave the red flag in order to defeat the red flag!

    For a brilliant expose of Marcell’s “communist” politics, see this


    Where is wise old Henry Parke when we need him?

    Comment by MaoismLinBiaoism — October 14, 2011 @ 8:11 pm

  11. And besides, Canada is not exactly the Sudan.

    Comment by dave r — October 14, 2011 @ 8:54 pm

  12. That’s right. Millions of Canadians clamor for DIRECTV & DISHNETWORK Satellite equipment, smuggling it in by the shitloads, which is technically illegal there, despite that fact it pollutes their minds with American culture. It’s one of the main reasons for Canada’s rightward political turn over the last decade, albeit still way to the left of Uncle Sam, whose like that proverbial Uncle who molests his nieces during holiday visits.

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — October 14, 2011 @ 10:01 pm

  13. ML he may be a reactionary revisionirt (the CPUSA would love him) but my biggest problem with him is his misconceptions of how all Americans live.

    I don’t buy into revisionism anyway because it doesn’t change conditions for the disadvantaged social class or create a classless society.

    We call revisionists in America Democrats which is what the CPUSA really is a splinter Democratic group calling themselves Marxists.

    I am against the wealthy and their arrogance and superiority complexes.

    They are what’s wrong with America getting special privileges while others suffer greatly.

    But they make up only one percent of Americans.

    Marcell’s comments couldn’t be more wrong. To insinuate that every single American is rich is ignorant and naturally would come from a person seriously lacking intellect.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — October 14, 2011 @ 10:25 pm

  14. My above comment, post 10, was meant as a joke. I’m in a Trotskyist organization myself. The “Maoist-Third Worldists”, ostensibly followers of Lin Biao, are a unique tendency and are disliked by Maoists. They believe in an extreme version of the labor aristocracy theory derived from a unique interpretation of Lenin’s theory of imperialism taken to extremes. Essentially the Western working class is completely bought off and is complicit in imperialism and deserves no sympathy at all. This “tendency” was pioneered by the group MIM, Maoist International Movement, and their leader Henry Parke. They were famous for their idiosyncratic spelling -Amerca as “eichmerikkka”, Canada as “kkklanadia”, etc. Parke sems to have fallen into clinical paranoia before his death about a year ago. A very intelligent but tragic individual.

    After MIM thankfully broke up a series of spinoffs coalesced into the “Leading Light Communist Organization”. The original version of their website advocated the “Revolutionary Plan de San Diego” calling for the summary execution of all white males living in the region the US stole from Mexico.

    A year or so ago a friend of mine made a series of Youtube videos burlesquing the MTWs. The idea was to out Stalin the Stalinists. Click on the video and you can find them. Its to be taken with a small grai nof salt.

    Comment by MaoismLinBiaoism — October 15, 2011 @ 12:04 am

  15. ML no disrespect to you comrade.

    I was just steamed at Marcell’s comments.

    I was just making it clear to the world that 99 percent of Americans are not rich and there are actually real communists who live in America, like us, who don’t have any love for capitalism.

    My anger was not directed at you comrade and I’m sorry if it came across that way.

    Red Deb says peace.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — October 15, 2011 @ 3:02 am

  16. I remember a Brazilian woman here saying to me, “There are no poor people in America.” I said, “I know what you mean, but we have people sleeping on the streets, so, you know, they’re poor.” She just smiled and shrugged.

    Comment by godoggo — October 15, 2011 @ 4:40 am

  17. It’s a misconception that many people I’ve met from other countries have.

    One time I was in a chat room talking about that I had spilled coffee all over some dress clothes I had to wear to a funeral.

    A woman in the chat room from Birmingham, UK suggested having my maid give the clothes to my driver and have him rush it to the cleaners in enough time to make it there.

    I responded to her by saying that people who live in the projects don’t have maids or personal drivers.

    She said you have housing projects in America?

    I said America is not like the TV shows like Dallas and Dynasty (circa 1980’s) and most of us are not wealthy, in fact it’s a very small part.

    People from other nations view America as some sort of fantasy land where fairytales come true.

    It’s not reality for the majority and the world view of us is an illusion.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — October 15, 2011 @ 5:34 am

  18. Speculations About OWS as a Voting Bloc

    (partly related to #2 – #4, and #14)

    10 suggested “goals” for OWS are listed in the following July 2010 article (“Dear Dems, 2012”):

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/07/27/dear-democrats-2012/

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2010/07/dear-democrats-about-2012/

    Citizens United v. Federal Elections Commission came later, so its repeal would have to be added as item 11.

    While I like the idea that OWS demonstrators and their supporters (nationally & worldwide) are quite unlikely to vote Republican in 2012, I dislike the idea that this thought would give comfort to Democrats who imagine the OWS World population is their captive, because it has nowhere else to go (electorally).

    It would be good to have an OWS-oriented Democratic primary challenger to Obama (as Nader is working on now), or an OWS-oriented 3rd party candidate. For OWS Nation to have a substantive political effect in 2013 and beyond, it will have to be sufficiently massive to make it clear to the Democrats that they cannot win in 2012 without OWS votes, but with those votes they can win both the Presidency and a decisive congressional majority (the Democratic-Republican rivalry is all about who distributes the pork barrel).

    The quid pro quo for the OWS voting bloc would be subsequent Democratic Administration action on major OWS planks (“reforms”, “demands”). The primary challenger and/or 3rd party effort would deliver their bloc late in the race, as they (these voters) had always intended, as a ploy to yank the Democrats hard left for their subsequent government. This assumes that an OWS bloc in 2012 can be decisively large, but not so overwhelmingly massive as to be able to entirely bypass mainline Democrats and Republicans combined, and win power directly; this “revolutionary” fantasy is too improbable, however appealing.

    These speculations are based on what I see as the social reality about OWS Nation, and Americans generally: political/electoral absenteeism is the most popular choice (justified with sadness and/or cynicism), otherwise they vote uninformed and with unrealistic hopes, but they are not prepared to participate in radical action (in non-negligible numbers). Given that it has taken three years of seriously deteriorating economic conditions to just have our sweet-tempered OWS “harvest festival” appear, the types of degradation that would have to obtain in order to provoke a mass popular uprising in the United States seem unimaginable. One has to have a very hard heart to wish for a revolution in this country.

    [e.g., on hard heartedness, from #14 about MIM group’s line: “Essentially the Western working class is completely bought off and is complicit in imperialism and deserves no sympathy at all.”
    MG, Jr. says: dear MIMists, please go to Mars to establish your material world paradise, there are too many people here.]

    Comment by Manuel Garcia, Jr. — October 15, 2011 @ 8:55 am

  19. Manuel, that’s what I had suggested in a previous post.

    The idea of coming up with an independent Occupy candidate to challenge Obama and not just another Democrat.

    Think it’s safe say with a high degree of certainty that the Occupy group won’t vote Republican because that party stands FOR everything they’re fighting against.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — October 15, 2011 @ 2:48 pm

  20. The Brazilian woman was here in America. Her point was that the poverty she saw here was nothing compared to what they have in Brazil.

    Comment by godoggo — October 15, 2011 @ 7:19 pm

  21. Re: #14. The labor aristocracy theory might be attractive if there actually was a thriving one here in the US. The fact is the third worldization of the US working class has culminated into the 99 percent OWS movement, illustrating clearly the theoretical deficiency of Lin Biaoism, particularly from a Leninist perspective in the age of declining American empire.

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — October 15, 2011 @ 9:12 pm

  22. I dont agree with Marcel’s politics but solidarity with him against the social fascist slandering him as being pro-genocide on another forum.

    Comment by an actual communist. — October 19, 2011 @ 11:25 pm

  23. #22 Marcel thinks all Americans are petty bourgeois, caviar eating and cell phone junkies.

    Obviously there is a high number of unemployed resulting in widespread homelessness and hunger nationwide.

    His views of Americans is completely wrong.

    It’s only one percent of our population that’s wealthy.

    The Occupy movement was born in NYC, a reactionary move from the frustrated 99 percent angered at the ruling class and government policies that are favorable to them.

    I definitely don’t support Marcell’s views because they are not based on reality and the struggles millions of us face every day.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — October 20, 2011 @ 2:54 am

  24. My last post, I meant retaliatory move by Occupy not reactionary.

    When I get tired, which I am right now, I make goofs just like anyone else.

    Oops sorry for any typos or goofs I have made.

    Happens to all of us.

    Nighty night comrades Red Deb’s signing off.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — October 20, 2011 @ 3:24 am

  25. DEborah, if you actually think only 1% of ameriKKKa is wealthy, you are dumber than an ox. The stats speak for themselves. Most ameriKKKans are the top 80% richest in the world. Miost ameriKKKans live at around 46k per year. Since when is supporting middle class supposed to be supporting oppressed proletarians? Talk about revisionism with a capital ‘R’. Proyect is a sad little crypto-trot who thinks things like Sex and the City are worthy of political commentary, and he says I thought I was a Marxist yes he used the excuse of trimming txt to boot me from his list because turht hurts. I would respond to the rest of the things here, but would it be worth it? Pigs will chow at the trough even if you club them. Maybe after I get some rest. Oh yea, and MaoismLinBiaoism is an epic troll named Lenina rosenweg at rev-left. The plan san diego she was referring to was ironically started by another troll years before, agains trying to confuse the poistion at the time by posing falsely as old MIM organizers. Some people suspect Ely was behind it…. This is piggish behaviour in the extreme.

    Comment by Marcell Rodden — October 20, 2011 @ 7:05 am

  26. Marcell, I am not dumb though you may be used to women that are.

    Read my lips I AM AMERICAN AND I AM POOR AND SO IS EVERYONE I KNOW. TWO OF MY FRIENDS LIVE IN A VAN AND AT ONE TIME HAD GOOD JOBS.

    The food banks where I live have run out or are close to running out of food due to low donations.

    Does that simply it for you enough?

    Tried to make it simple because you either lack knowledge because you’re 20 years old and too youthful to grasp it or are just a completely hopeless moron.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — October 20, 2011 @ 1:32 pm

  27. Wrong Debbie, I am 31 years old and have raised a family being on and off welfare, sometimes employed, and sometimes as a lumpen. So Keep talking shit thinking that YOUR “empirical” experience trumps everyone else’s. It doesn’t. So fucking what if you know 2 people that live in a van, in a country with 350 million people, the MINORITY live in a condition like that; and even that MINORITY are still better off than 3rd world majorities. Lving in a mobile or even stationary vehicle is like the a suit at the Royal York compared to the conditions of many 3rd worlders who have to work 12 hrs or more just to afford it! You are so blind and wrapped up in your own ameriKKKan eyes you can’t even bother to look through the eyes of the oppressed. Instead you feel sorry for the oppressor. This is why I have no sympathy for 1st worlders, they are ignorant fucks. An ameriKKKan living in a van can still get access to electricity, running water, toilet facilities with actual sewage and cheap food and goods brought to them via imperialism..Perhaps the fact that you are typing this up on your computer should tell you something.

    Comment by Marcell Rodden — October 20, 2011 @ 2:24 pm

  28. You are proud to be ameriKKKan Debbie? You should be disgusted and ashamed. Anytime I have to refer to my nationality I feel like throwing up in my mouth. I can’t stand the fact I can be identified as part of the oppressor class, so I try my best to denounce parasitism. At the same time I partake in it like everyone else. The platter is in front of me and I eat it; but I make sure to spend enough time trying to show how damaging this Roman feast really is to the world.

    Comment by Marcell Rodden — October 20, 2011 @ 2:28 pm

  29. Marcel is wrong, but his enemies are worse in that they completely ignore the question of the labor aristocracy…

    “On the one hand, there is the tendency of the bourgeoisie and the
    opportunists to convert a handful of very rich and privileged nations into
    ‘eternal’ parasites on the body of the rest of mankind, to ‘rest on the
    laurels’ of the exploitation of Negroes, Indians, etc., keeping them in
    subjection with the aid of excellent weapons of extermination provided
    by modern militarism. On the other hand, there is the tendency of the
    masses, who are more oppressed than before and who bear the whole
    brunt of imperialist wars, to cast off this yoke and to overthrow the
    bourgeoisie. It is in the struggle between these tendencies that the
    history of the labour movement will now inevitably develop.”

    V.I. Lenin.

    Comment by an actual communist. — October 20, 2011 @ 2:33 pm

  30. Lenina Rosenwhig belongs to a social fascist cult which has twice offered to on national television once in Greece and once in the UK to rate up proletarians who defended themselves against the cops, of course the social fascist cult she belongs considers cops to be “workers” and his heavily involved in the prison guard union in the UK. They have also been involved in gay bashing. People should bare this in mind when they read her attacks on marcel.

    Comment by an actual communist. — October 20, 2011 @ 2:37 pm

  31. Marcell, I am just as angry as you are.

    I don’t love America because the system here has oppressed me all of my life, so I am not proud of it or support it.

    Our capitalist regime favors the wealthy and higher social classes and benefits them well.

    It bears down hard on the disadvantaged and weaker members of society like the elderly, poor and disabled.

    The government has oppressive military policies toward other nations.

    I am against all of this.

    If you’ve ever read any of my other posts, I speak up for all who have been oppressed by this corrupt government.

    I live in a housing project and my first five years were spent in a trailer park.

    My personal life experience being in a lower social class no matter how hard I worked to try to better myself, led me to become a revolutionary marxist.

    My dream is to end human suffering by supporting a system change in America which would be based on equality and a classless society.

    I apologize for calling you a moron.

    I really am just as angry as you and am sick and tired of being oppressed and having no future because it’s depressing.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — October 20, 2011 @ 3:43 pm

  32. I don’t want to see bandwidth wasted here in conversations with Marcell. His views are held by nobody on the left today even if they were once popular in the late 60s and early 70s.

    Comment by louisproyect — October 20, 2011 @ 3:52 pm

  33. Well said Louis. A bit extreme and very inccurate I would add.

    I tried with reasoning.

    Oh well on with the next topic.

    Comment by Deborah Jeffries — October 20, 2011 @ 4:11 pm


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