Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

May 3, 2011

He must have attacked them with a dialysis hose

Filed under: war — louisproyect @ 10:07 pm

May 3, 2011 2:25 PM
How did bin Laden resist Navy SEALs without a weapon?

According to the White House, Osama bin Laden was shot to death during a raid on his compound when he “resisted” the raid team.

Also according to the White House, bin Laden was not armed when confronted by the raid team.

Which raises the question: How did bin Laden resist the raid without a weapon?

Asked about this issue at his briefing Tuesday, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said “resistance does not require a firearm.” He declined to elaborate further.

Reporters pressed Carney, who noted that the SEAL team had been prepared to capture bin Laden if possible. (White House Counterterrorism Adviser John Brennan said at a briefing Monday that “if we had the opportunity to take bin Laden alive, if he didn’t present any threat, the individuals involved were able and prepared to do that.”)

He then said the team “met with a great deal of resistance,” adding that many people in the compound were armed.

Carney said the raid led to a “highly volatile firefight” and said those involved in the raid “handled themselves with the utmost professionalism.”

“He was killed in an operation because of the resistance that they met,” said Carney, who referred further questions to the Pentagon. “We are trying very hard to provide as much information as we can,” he added.

Carney also said one of bin Laden’s wives was in the room with bin Laden when the raid team arrived. He said she rushed a member of the raid team and was shot in the leg — but not killed. Carney did not provide any detail about the actions taken by bin Laden when the SEALs arrived.

Asked to provide clarity on the issue on Monday, all a senior official would say is that “more details may emerge.”

The White House initially claimed that bin Laden used a woman as a human shield and was “firing behind her,” but it later changed its account of what took place


  1. If the person killed really was bin Laden (they disposed of the body pretty quick, didn’t they…) then I expect they were under orders to execute not capture. What would the US want with a long, drawn-out, messy trial? Better claim a quick victory and put it behind them. At least that would make sense for them, as far as I can tell.

    Comment by Ben Courtice — May 4, 2011 @ 2:28 am

  2. History proves there’s little difference between Osama Bin Landen and the most sophisticated of the Narodniki terrorists that confronted Tsarist Russia around the turn of 20th century. The Bolsheviks, most notably Lenin & Trotsky, wrote extensively about them, particularly their social roots in the frustrated intelligentsia that didn’t have the wherewithall to organize a MASS MOVEMENT but rather substituted the actions of their small but clique for the masses.

    The Bolshevik’s analysis on the causes of individual terror a la Bin Laden were best summarized in Richard Rubenstein’s: “Alchemists of Revolution: Terrorism in the Modern World.”

    It’s a book you can buy a used copy of for $1.99 but is literally worth it’s weight in gold for the rare & brilliant insights of Lenin & Trotsky regarding individual terror.

    So on this site: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Alchemists-of-Revolution/Richard-E-Rubenstein/e/9780465000944#TABS

    You can read “Publishers Weekly” reviews on the book which hardly do it justice but are revealing:

    “In a calm, level-headed analysis, Rubenstein offers a powerful rebuttal to many assumptions about terrorism. He maintains that terrorist acts are often the responses of frustrated people to American-sponsored oppression that is intended to protect U.S. imperial interests. The average terrorist may be like “the guy next door,” living on the edge of despair. A professor at the Antioch School of Law in Washington, D.C., Rubenstein refutes the notion that terrorist movements are products of outside manipulation or links in a unified “red terrorist network.” The conditions that allowed the early Ku Klux Klan to flourishpostwar disorder, nationalist solidarityhave much to tell us about current terrorist activity around the world. The logic of terrorist acts, according to the author, makes terrorism an appealing tool for some Third World nationalists and conservatives, but a bane to social revolutionaries who favor mass activism and genuine change. (April 8)”

    Or the —Library Journal —

    “Terrorism, claims Rubenstein (Antioch Sch. of Law, Washington, D.C.), is initiated by militants who are unable to organize mass violence or mobilize political support for their cause. He seeks to survey the contemporary upsurge in terrorist activity objectively and discover an underlying thread in its history. He focuses on terrorism as it is used by both political agitators and the state, as well as the prominence of the urban guerrillas and revolutionaries. His span is sufficient to cover groups ranging from the far right nationalists to the leftist communists. The author’s “solution” to the “problem” is to encourage wide-scale political participation in those states that experience terrorism. A good intellectual survey for current affairs collections. Sanford R. Silverburg, Political Science Dept., Catawba Coll., Salisbury, N.C.”

    What I want to know is why the Din Laden taped speech that was played on all the commercial networks on 9/11/01 is not available in any form or transcript? I rememeber him statring off by not admitting he was responsible but rather arguing that Uncle Sam deserved such an atrocity as payback for inummerable war crimes starting with Hiroshima & Nagasaki, then listing about 20 other atrocities committed by Uncle Sam against various brown people’s, none of which were inaccurate.

    I’m sure somebody less tired than me can dig up a copy of this speech in transcript form and we should analyze it in the context of what Marx said about the Blanquists as “The Alchemists of Revolution.”

    Unfortunately I suspect that the brown majority of this planet will view Bin Laden as just another brown skinned so-called terrorist like Geronimo who the white man assassinated, elevating him to a status previously occupied by brown people as a Lenin, who in fact was the opposite of Bin Laden when it comes to the strategy & tactics of how to fight the oppressors.

    You can thank Stalin’s legacy of the Revolution Betrayed for such political confusion amongst the world’s toilers in the epoch of imperialist decline for Bin Laden will be seen as an individual who not only contributed to the demise of Stalinism but also the demise of the insular American Way of Life which has increasingly become a police state.

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — May 4, 2011 @ 3:14 am

  3. P.S. — All the spelling errors above can be attributed to the fact that after an 8 hour shift of working on people’s greasy, stinking, polluting vehicles, I’m just too tired & bitter, particularly after thinking about the corporate sabotage of public welfare documented in the film: “Who Killed The Electric Car” (reviewed on this site) which delves into the problems directly related to this topic insofar as Bin Laden’s assassination is directly linked to imperialism’s turpitude over big oil profits.

    It’s frankly all pretty fucking disgusting.

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — May 4, 2011 @ 3:27 am

  4. Someone tell me if I’m horrible for being indifferent to the possibility that OBL was murdered in cold blood.

    I suspect that the SEAL Team was given a nod and wink to assassinate him, as a tacit threat to would be followers. Plus it wouldn’t have been very lovely for bin Laden to let rip on America’s crimes in an American court, and exposing his possible connections with the CIA in Afghanistan, or of the ISI’s links to terrorists and militants (which might cause a public scandal greater than what’s transpired).

    Comment by Luis Cayetano — May 4, 2011 @ 9:28 am

  5. Interesting point here about whether or not it was murder:


    “And `Abdul-Bari `Atwan of Al-Quds Al-`Arabi, who knew Bin Laden and liked him says in his editorial today that an aide to Bin Laden said that he requested that his bodyguards shoot him if he ever faced killing by enemies. `Atwan leans to that theory for his killing: that his own bodyguard shot him. I think this is very likely and may emerge later. Is that why the body was thrown in the sea? Because Americans want to believe that an American bullet killed him? Does this matter? Well, yes. The US has lied so much that it is understandable that it is not believed by Muslims especially that Arabs/Muslims can’t celebrate the American celebrations of their killings, even if the person killed is Bin Laden: who may not be loved by Arabs and Muslims (and who clearly failed to win support among the masses) but any US president is hated more than Bin Laden. That is the key element to help you understand the complicated Arab/Muslim attitudes to Bin Laden and his death.”

    (He might be talking about the anti-anti-Kaddafi crowd in that last sentence.)

    Comment by Todd — May 4, 2011 @ 3:50 pm

  6. This one, too:


    Comment by Todd — May 4, 2011 @ 3:52 pm

  7. The whole ‘history vs his story’ argument is not that strong since we do have ‘history’ on video, so it’s not like Obama can reenact something different for the stills.

    Comment by Logo — May 6, 2011 @ 4:21 pm

  8. Allow me to repent for my previous comment about being indifferent to the murder of bin Laden. What happened was an extrajudicial assassination, and I oppose it in no uncertain terms. I don’t know what had gotten into me.

    Comment by Luis Cayetano — May 11, 2011 @ 2:46 pm

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