Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

June 12, 2010

The FBI knocks at my door

Filed under: middle east,repression — louisproyect @ 10:13 pm

31 Comments »

  1. My old home of Austin, Texas! This video was very informative. The lady who filmed it was far more rational, calm, and intelligent than I think I would ever be in such a situation. Great video.

    Comment by Greg — June 12, 2010 @ 10:21 pm

  2. They would call that Stalinism if it wasn’t in the good ol US of A.

    Comment by Steve — June 13, 2010 @ 8:27 am

  3. Louis, this is one of the most interesting posts I got from you. It was difficult to open at first but my advice is to tell all to report to your blog if they find it so! Indeed, the nurse who was encountered was very sensible, calm and coposed.

    Comment by Zarina Bhatia — June 13, 2010 @ 12:42 pm

  4. Sorry, for spelling error of ‘composed’

    Comment by Zarina Bhatia — June 13, 2010 @ 12:42 pm

  5. Are these the smartest people the government can find to work for them?

    Comment by Richard Greener — June 13, 2010 @ 1:15 pm

  6. My comment @ YT 2 days ago:

    eileenfleming

    I HOPE the FBI knock on my door. I am a retired registered nurse, full time writer and social justice peace activists who has been to Israel Palestine 7 times since 2005 and I got ‘on board’ the FREEDOM FLOTILLA as an endorsing organization in 2007.

    I will even invite them into my house as I have nothing to hide!

    I have been speaking out about ALL I know regarding the APARTHEID regime and the INJUSTICES done unto Palestinians aided and abetted by USA Govt. policy and Zionism @ WeAreWideAwake

    Comment by eileen fleming — June 13, 2010 @ 1:36 pm

  7. Richard asks:

    “Are these the smartest people the government can find to work for them?”

    I think that part of their MO is to play dumb to get whoever they are talking to open up to them. The special agents claimed to know little about what the woman was protesting about. If anyone believes that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to them. The idea was to get her talking as much as possible in the hope she would reveal information that might prove useful to them. As I said on Marxmail, as it was, I thought that she said too much to them. Once you start answering their questions, you could be taken as waiving your rights to remain silent. Back in the McCarthy era people got into trouble for that reason. And if you do talk start talking to FBI agents, you can get yourself into big trouble if they catch you lying. That’s how they got Martha Stewart (and she was not even under oath at the time). The best policy is not to say anything to these people.

    Comment by Jim Farmelant — June 13, 2010 @ 2:18 pm

  8. Richard- I must disagree and I am ready at anytime to TALK with my Government. After all, they monitor my website, my over seas phone calls and emails. I have nothing to hide and would welcome them in my door at any time!

    In fact, i have phoned and left voice messages with the CIA and FBI, but they never returned my calls.

    I also frequently email, fax and phone the White House and State Department.

    In fact on 31 May 2010, I was able to reach the PRESS Officer of the day at US State Department regarding Israel’s attack in international waters on the FREEDOM FLOTILLA. He was very gracious and interested in my information as I knew more than him.

    However, the next day when I phoned Today, the State Department Press Officer he hung up on me after I asked my first question: “When is President Obama going to admit that the ‘special relationship’ with Israel is NOT in America’s best interests!”

    Freedom of speech is all bout speaking The Truth to the powers that be, for me!

    Eileen Fleming, Producer “30 Minutes with Vanunu” and “13 Minutes with Vanunu”
    Founder of WeAreWideAwake.org
    Staff Member of Salem-news.com
    A Feature Correspondent for Arabisto.com and Dandelionsalad.wordpress.com
    Author of “Keep Hope Alive” and “Memoirs of a Nice Irish American ‘Girl’s’ Life in Occupied Territory”
    http://www.youtube.com/user/eileenfleming

    Comment by eileen fleming — June 13, 2010 @ 2:28 pm

  9. ops! TYPO correction:

    However, the next day when I phoned the State Department Press Officer he hung up on me after I asked my first question: “When is President Obama going to admit that the ‘special relationship’ with Israel is NOT in America’s best interests!”

    Comment by eileen fleming — June 13, 2010 @ 2:30 pm

  10. I hope you had a chance to open your page and see at least on ad Google thought appropriate for your post:

    Ads by Google
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    Earn an intelligence degree online & prepare for a career in the FBI.
    http://www.APUS.edu

    FBI intelligence? military music? business ethic? hahahahahahahahahaha

    Comment by Cecilieaux Bois de Murier — June 13, 2010 @ 4:12 pm

  11. Lou. Glad you found it worthy to post this video I sent you onto your blog. This sort of police activity is of course not new. It’s reminiscent of that scene in Michael Moore’s 911 movie where the police planted a spy officer in that Oregon anti-war discussion group’s midst when it turned out the most radical thing they were doing was passing out home made cookies. Then in the same movie there was the guy about Lou’s age who made a crack about Bush while working out at his gym and next thing he knows Secret Service agents knock on his door to question him.

    Bottom line is if it weren’t for the heroic resistance of the Iraqi and Afghani peoples Bush would have probably bombed Iran before he left office and in all the fascistic fervor he might have been able to executively modify the constitution in order to decree himself a third term.

    Fortunately for the ruling class they didn’t need to resort to that since they had fallback guys like Obama to carry on the legacy of Bush’s third term.

    After all, Bush did manage, only with the help of the Democrats of course, to rescind the great writ of habeas corpus, setting our system of jurisprudence to back before the Magna Carta.

    Few realize this but it turns out that without that Great Writ then the rest of the Bill of Rights is virtually worthless.

    Despite MSNBC & Keith Olbermann’s other faults, these two below are probably the greatest political speeches any journalist in the commercial press has ever broadcast in this country’s history.

    THE DEATH OF HABEAS CORPUS (main point starts at 5:20)

    THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF AMERICA:

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — June 13, 2010 @ 4:49 pm

  12. I should add that the most important of these 2 videos is this first one below, particularly starting around the 5:20 mark:

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — June 13, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

  13. I can’t see the video. I guess I need something to do with my internet connection 😦

    Comment by educator — June 14, 2010 @ 3:32 am

  14. This hardly seemed condemning of anything in particular. A women moves in circles with some people who feel very strongly and perhaps radically. This seemed like bare minimum due diligence.

    It looks more like contrived persecution than actual. I understand that at the end of the day the government is going to back it’s own interests and agendas. But so is this woman. She isn’t the voice of reason or impartiality any more than they are. Remember they bust fundamentalist Christian groups also.

    But interests and agendas aside, I’m going to bet there’s a bare minimum and legitimate safety issue.

    Few thoughts from someone who reads your site everyday.

    Thanks,
    Troy

    Comment by Troy Vanderhule — June 14, 2010 @ 4:42 pm

  15. No Troy. They never knock on the doors of fundamentalist Christians who picket abortion clinics, despite the fundamentalist history of murdering doctors. They sometimes go after polygamist Mormons or the murderers of abortion doctors after the fact, and they sometimes frame up guys like David Koresh in Waco or go after guys like Randy Weaver in Ruby Ridge but that’s all completely different. This action here was intended to intimidate in order to stifle dissent, pure and simple.

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — June 14, 2010 @ 7:59 pm

  16. I’ll concede your point, up to point. I know the FBI or IRS or whatever governmental organ can be used for intimidation. I don’t know that you can broad brush and say that they don’t harass anyone else, when in fact, they do. Regularly. I get it, I’m actually from Utah, and I’ve ran a homeless shelter, and I’ve done my share of anti-establishment conversation. These are minor examples and I’ve still been on the receiving end of establishment harassment.

    I don’t know that her dissent was being stifled. It’s possible. It’s also possible she networks with people who are more radical. It’s also possible the government is threatened by anyone who is more active in dissent. Not just pro-Palestinians.

    So I’ll agree that government doesn’t like dissent. I don’t agree that all dissent is equal. Some of is more isolative, some random, some broadly networked and interested in guerrilla tactics. There are times when it’s not persecution if it kind of warranted.

    This video just seemed a bit self-righteous in her eagerness to justify herself and her cause as worthy, when in fact, it may be as dumb as anyone else’s cause. So she disagrees with the national policy on Israel, so she protests, that doesn’t mean she’s got a case. It means she has an opinion on the matter.

    That’s my only point. I didn’t love the video. Too self-righteous.

    Thanks again.
    Troy

    Comment by Troy Vanderhule — June 14, 2010 @ 11:14 pm

  17. Look Troy. The point is this incident is clearly part of a much larger pernicious pattern of going after the wrong people.

    For example….
    http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff06142010.html

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — June 15, 2010 @ 1:26 am

  18. C’mon now… In a world filled with governments, religious and paramilitary organizations that regularly murder and torture dissenters, to have these clowns from the FBI politely knock on your door hardly constitutes a “pernicious pattern of going after the wrong people.” If this “victim” had merely said “Go away!” and closed the door, that would have been the end of it. I know that to be true, first-hand.

    Comment by Richard Greener — June 17, 2010 @ 4:05 pm

  19. Whatever you say, Dick.

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — June 17, 2010 @ 7:49 pm

  20. “In a world filled with governments, religious and paramilitary organizations that regularly murder and torture dissenters”

    Sums up the Yanks abroad if you ask me.

    Comment by James — June 18, 2010 @ 4:36 pm

  21. “…Yanks abroad.” James. Foreign policy is but an extension of domestic policy.

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — June 18, 2010 @ 5:25 pm

  22. Of all the tyrannical organizations operating in the world today, including all those part of or paid for by the United States federal government, the least oppressive in terms of violence and illegality has to be the nearly incompetent FBI. And anyone with any experience with US law enforcement knows that when they appear without a warrant, a simple “Go away!” actually works.

    Comment by Richard Greener — June 18, 2010 @ 10:16 pm

  23. Dick.

    Amir Meshal will rest easier now that you’ve insisted how benignly incompetent the FBI are:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/22/nation/na-rendition22

    So will Mr. Raymond Azar:

    http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/22/nation/na-rendition22

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — June 19, 2010 @ 12:30 am

  24. Wrong link for Amir Mshal in last post.

    Correct link is here:

    http://washingtonindependent.com/67169/rendition-case-tests-fbi-immunity

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — June 19, 2010 @ 12:32 am

  25. Karl… You’re certainly not a lawyer. Neither case you cite is anywhere near on point. They happened outside the United States and, in Mr. Azar’s case, he pleaded guilty! Guilty – not innocent. So where is your “pernicious pattern of going after the wrong people”? As for Amir Mshal, neither the facts nor the disposition of this case is yet settled. I’m against rendition. But we have yet to get a definitive ruling on its legality. The fact that we may not like it carries little or no weight, I’m afraid. My point was really quite simple – any time FBI or other law enforcement “knocks on your door” without a warrant, tell them to go away. Do not talk to them. Yes, it works. I, and many others know so from personal experience.

    Comment by Richard Greener — June 19, 2010 @ 2:05 am

  26. No, Dick. I’m no lawyer. I’m a lowly truck mechanic who oozes petroleum based carcinogens from his pours like what spews relentlessly into the gulf of mexico .

    My mother was a UAW organizer, who started at GM around 1970 doing the midnight to eight as a result of the Proletarian Orientaion SWPers got expelled for in the mid 70’s, but wound up to be the best Solidarity House could muster back in the Halcyon days of Owen Bieber & Steve Yokich.

    But my dad WAS a lawyer. (So much for upward mobility in America.) He had to quit his practice shortly after founding it in the late 50’s because he was indicted by the FBI along with 9 others on the absurd charge of “conspiring to overthrow the government” because he attended an SWP meeting. The logic of their case was that because the SWP was Trotskyist, and Trotsky advocated overthrowing capitalism, VIOLA!

    He retired after 30 years teaching public high school biology in projects like Cabrini Green & The Robert Taylor Homes of Chicago. He had a heart attack & died at the outset of the 2nd Gulf War after chanting en-masse “Jewish People Yes! – Zionism No!” marching in a pro-Palestinian rally. As far as I’m concerened, my dad was killed by Bush, that is, he was murdered by capitalism. His 2nd wife, a Columbian woman who he had 2 teenage kids by, had to fight tooth & nail to get his meager pension.

    My dad also believed that historically the FBI was more a friend of the KKK than a foe.

    So you can argue all you want the the FBI is the most benign in all the state apparatus but your point is moot. It’s the state apparatus. The armed gangs defending property. Ask not for whom the bell tolls for it might toll for thee.

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — June 19, 2010 @ 3:01 am

  27. It isn’t just the FBI, the CIA and the US army are world leaders in torture and murder. Other nations use them as the benchmark. There is footage on youtube of US troops shooting unarmed civilians from an helicopter and whooping and cheering as they do it. Fucking animals.

    Comment by James — June 19, 2010 @ 11:09 am

  28. [“he pleaded guilty! Guilty – not innocent.”]

    Spoken like somebody who thinks like a cop — how one pleas gets right to the truth.

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — June 19, 2010 @ 2:49 pm

  29. James:

    It’s true as Dick says that of all the armed gangs defending property in the US, the FBI are probably the least bloodthirsty animals. Perhaps that’s because they’re half mormons brought up in households surrounded by many women?

    Yes, they’re all still animals, but remember, the system breeds the animals. After all, the British were great teachers. Before the Queen’s Reich had a big navy to go abroad with they honed their skills of devestation and destruction on closer subjects, like the Irish.

    Comment by Karl Friedrich — June 19, 2010 @ 3:00 pm

  30. Karl… how about telling us what YOU would do if the FBI knocked on your door and had no warrant… Your ranting makes me wonder how you might react if you got stopped for speeding or perhaps missing a traffic light… is EVERYONE who works for the government after you?

    Comment by Richard Greener — June 19, 2010 @ 4:18 pm

  31. I am guessing Greener isn’t from the hood!

    Comment by James — June 20, 2010 @ 10:01 am


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